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KqWIN said:
If Kessler sees himself as a shooter, that is a problem. In his rookie year he was elite at finishing around the basket and offensive rebounding. That's what he should build his game around, being around the hoop and playing in a way that actually helps his team. All this shooting stuff will do is make him soft and not want him to do what he's great at. I don't care about if he has rebounders or not to help him get more shots. I'm worried about his mentality which is the thing holding him back the most.

Kessler needs to be inside the paint. I don't care if he shoots during the off season or whatever it meant that he played the right way. Gobert always shoots threes in practice, but in the games he knows what he's doing. What they do in the empty gyms doesn't really matter. My point is that we should not placate Kessler's softness. He has some great tools and ability inside the paint on offense, work around that instead of trying to build on top of his horrible shooting ability. You don't want an Ayton situation where he's physically dominant and can get any shot he wants but prefers to shoot middy's and take 1 FT per game.

It's not a problem with how Kessler spends his time necessarily, it's how he views himself as a player and his mentality towards the game.
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Every player should want to improve their shooting. That doesn't mean that Kessler views himself as a shooter but he clearly views it as a weakness that he wants to improve on. You say that he needs to be in the paint but that isn't the reality of how he is going to be used. He is used as a perimeter screener and having the ability to screen and pop is very useful because the defensive big has to think twice about dropping. You bring up Ayton but I don't see the point because Kessler isn't even remotely as physically dominant or skilled as Ayton. If he had that level of talent then I would agree completely and say get his *** in the post.
 
It just takes such wild levels of stupidity to think that you can become one of the best centers in the world when you are wasting your time trying to get a skill up to par that will account for less than 5% of your total offense.

Centers have to specialize. Doing the things they have to do is not easy. If it was, then all centers could waste their time working on their jumpers and "bag" and still be really great at the things their team needs to do and they would all be 40% open 3pt shooters, but the world doesnt work that way unless you are extremely talented at those things (which Walker is not).
 
KqWIN said:
If Kessler sees himself as a shooter, that is a problem. In his rookie year he was elite at finishing around the basket and offensive rebounding. That's what he should build his game around, being around the hoop and playing in a way that actually helps his team. All this shooting stuff will do is make him soft and not want him to do what he's great at. I don't care about if he has rebounders or not to help him get more shots. I'm worried about his mentality which is the thing holding him back the most.

Kessler needs to be inside the paint. I don't care if he shoots during the off season or whatever it meant that he played the right way. Gobert always shoots threes in practice, but in the games he knows what he's doing. What they do in the empty gyms doesn't really matter. My point is that we should not placate Kessler's softness. He has some great tools and ability inside the paint on offense, work around that instead of trying to build on top of his horrible shooting ability. You don't want an Ayton situation where he's physically dominant and can get any shot he wants but prefers to shoot middy's and take 1 FT per game.

It's not a problem with how Kessler spends his time necessarily, it's how he views himself as a player and his mentality towards the game.
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If you arent able to do the things you are supposed to do, then it is absolutely a problem with how you spend your time.
 
sip said:
Every player should want to improve their shooting. That doesn't mean that Kessler views himself as a shooter but he clearly views it as a weakness that he wants to improve on. You say that he needs to be in the paint but that isn't the reality of how he is going to be used. He is used as a perimeter screener and having the ability to screen and pop is very useful because the defensive big has to think twice about dropping. You bring up Ayton but I don't see the point because Kessler isn't even remotely as physically dominant or skilled as Ayton. If he had that level of talent then I would agree completely and say get his *** in the post.
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The point is that you can make yourself a worse player by playing in a suboptimal way. Kessler was really good around the basket as a rookie. Top 10 in FG% at the rim. Top 10 in OREB per36. Top 30 in floater range. FG%. That should be the focus of his game. He should working on getting more of those opportunities and leveraging that ability to help his team win. On the other hand, Kessler is a terrible shooter, has always been a terrible shooter, and has shown no signs of not being terrible. Not everyone should try to incorporate a 3 point shot. The report from Andy, which we are talking about, is clear. Kessler views himself as a shooter and that is terrible advice from his camp. The Jazz are absolutely correct that his development should be as a big man doing big man things.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
If you arent able to do the things you are supposed to do, then it is absolutely a problem with how you spend your time.
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I'm just saying that what's most important is how Kessler views himself as a player. I don't care to get into made up details about the amount of shots he's getting. If he saw himself as a big and understood the importance of developing as a big it wouldn't matter. The talk about Kessler wanting to become a shooter and disagreeing with the emphasis on improving his big man skills reflects a soft mentality and poor understanding of how he can be effective.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
If you need someone to tell you why a 50% FT shooter shouldnt worry about his 3pt shot then you are even more hopeless than I knew.
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I mean he improved to a 60% free throw shooter last year, so he's moving in the right direction. It's similar to the jump Rudy made his second season. I feel he was stronger at the end of the season as well
 
framer said:
I mean he improved to a 60% free throw shooter last year, so he's moving in the right direction. It's similar to the jump Rudy made his second season. I feel he was stronger at the end of the season as well
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He shoots so few a game the SS is too small
 
framer said:
10 percent is real improvement though. If you are going to crap on him for 50%, the 60% is just as valid. The eye test tells me he is far more confident going to the line than he was last year.
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I don't think you are aware what sample size means. I would suggest looking it up
 
Locke today... "the plan is no plan" which is the joke I made about Seinfeld being a show about nothing. Danny is hunting value. Anyone that knows or thinks they know the plan is likely wrong as it depends on what opportunities happen.
 
If Kessler isn't doing what the coaches want him to do, that is a big problem. If I'm Ainge I would start entertaining trade offers for him.
 
David Stern said:
www.espn.com

Offseason sleeper teams: How the Bulls, Blazers, Jazz, Pelicans and Spurs could make big moves

Chicago, led by Zach LaVine and DeMar DeRozan, is one of a handful of teams in prime position to be busy this summer.
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Bobby proposes two Jazz trades in this article:

Collins and Clarkson for Lavine
10 + Minnesota 2025 pick for Giddey

Thoughts in these trades? I don’t love the Giddey one
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Giddey ain't getting all that lol. The first one is one I invented last season. I think I'd rather roll with JC and JC than Lavine but I won't kill them if they take that bet.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Giddey ain't getting all that lol. The first one is one I invented last season. I think I'd rather roll with JC and JC than Lavine but I won't kill them if they take that bet.
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I don’t understand how he can be so far apart on values between guys. The LaVine trade is spot on but the Giddey trade is horrendous.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I don’t understand how he can be so far apart on values between guys. The LaVine trade is spot on but the Giddey trade is horrendous.
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OKC values him highly based on some of the stuff I have heard. So if he's moved I don't think it will be cheap. They will be patient with him.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I don’t understand how he can be so far apart on values between guys. The LaVine trade is spot on but the Giddey trade is horrendous.
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Handlogten's Heros said:
OKC values him highly based on some of the stuff I have heard. So if he's moved I don't think it will be cheap. They will be patient with him.
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But yeah... we ain't paying all that lol.
 
I could see Giddey for 10 and we get our pick back or some sort of Giddey/Kessler 10/12 swap where we get our pick back.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Locke today... "the plan is no plan" which is the joke I made about Seinfeld being a show about nothing. Danny is hunting value. Anyone that knows or thinks they know the plan is likely wrong as it depends on what opportunities happen.
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Sometimes the best decision is not to decide. See what happens.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Giddey ain't getting all that lol. The first one is one I invented last season. I think I'd rather roll with JC and JC than Lavine but I won't kill them if they take that bet.
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All of what?

10+ likely 25 or worse in 2025?

Doesn't seem like that much to me. Is wait to see what Minny does in their off-season, but I don't see how that's bad. Maybe rework the trade to say "worse of the 3 picks the Jazz own in 2025" if that would make people feel more comfortable
 
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