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Saint Cy of JFC said:
I dont think him and Salaun are even that comparable. I see Salaun as someone who is more in the mold of Lauri Markkanen as an off-ball player and Dadiet I see his upside being more Gordon Hayward

Dadiet to me is more comparable to Buzelis. They are basically the same height/wingspan. I think Buzelis has an inch in both departments, but Dadiet measured with a higher standing reach. Athletically they tested similarly, but Buzelis definitely looks more athletic in highlights. Dadiet has 20 lbs of mass on Buzelis and is 9 months younger. Dadiet is a much better shooter. Both project as big on-ball scorers if they reach their ceiling.
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I wasn't referring to their style of play, I was just comparing them since I believe they play in the same league? FWIW I kind of get Salaun, but have never been super impressed with his film. Dadiet looks much more skilled.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Archie Goodwin = Michael Jordan
Cody Williams = bigger SGA
Keyshawn George = rich man’s Joe Ingles (the third best player on the Jazz during the Mitchell era, wherein they were dark horse contenders for multiple years).

Cool.
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I happened to view Ignored content on this page. Now you're reminding me why you're on that list.

And you think Ingles is better than Mike Conley and Bojan Bogdanvoic, huh?
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
You’re not understanding what I’m saying. I’m talking about dudes you’ll look back five years later and say damn I passed on him because I had player A already.
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But this works the same way when you miss out on a “good fit” player too. A good example is Jaquez on Miami and Podziemski on Golden State. Those guys would have been fantastic on the Jazz and they fell to the 2nd half of the draft. Those are both good fit guys for the Jazz at 10 and 15 and in hindsight would be top 10 picks in a redraft. The Jazz thought BPA was Udoka and it turned out Desmond Bane and Jaden McDaniels (who would have been perfect good fit guys) were passed up.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Absolutely.

Look, if your own words being repeated back to you is such a dagger to the heart, maybe it’s not me you should be upset with.
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Saying that Archie Goodwin showed a competitive fire and intense look on his face like Michael Jordan isn't the same as saying Archie Goodwin is Michael Jordan, jackass. It's impressive that you would try to bring that from 11 years ago though.

Saying that Cody Williams has a small chance to develop like SGA, isn't the same as saying he's the next SGA, though he actually has that kind of ceiling. But I understand that would require nuance and discernment on your part, so nevermind. Oh, and Tony Jones chimed in and said Cody "might have the highest ceiling in the draft." So maybe go pick a bone with him.

Also, comparing Kyshawn George to Joe Ingles, when they have the same height/length/weight and have the same strengths and weaknesses entering the draft isn't a reach by any means.

So yeah, this is more time than I have allocated to exchange with you, and that's why you're on the Ignore list.
 
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NUMBERICA said:
Archie Goodwin = Michael Jordan
Cody Williams = bigger SGA
Keyshawn George = rich man’s Joe Ingles (the third best player on the Jazz during the Mitchell era, wherein they were dark horse contenders for multiple years).

Cool.
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lol. bigger SGA? are you drinking? way too slow, way too uninterested.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
I mean, he's using different numbers he has access to in order to evaluate whether a prospect can shoot, is athletic or can handle the ball in pick-and-roll. There are different ways to quantify or talk about whether a player has those dimensions to their game. You don't need an exhaustive analysis to say that guys like Buzelis, Holland and Castle didn't shoot well this year and that it's a concern they'll need to overcome. Saying that Dalton Knecht is old for the draft isn't some incredible insight.
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One of my main issues is that I have to believe there is a huge difference in what you can take away from the many leagues these guys play in. Also, I think he only has 4 or 5 years of data, which isn't really enough, and so I thought he was going to go back further, which would be more convincing to me.

On the other hand some of it does seem to make sense. I think it's at least worth thinking about as you evaluate guys.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
One of my main issues is that I have to believe there is a huge difference in what you can take away from the many leagues these guys play in. Also, I think he only has 4 or 5 years of data, which isn't really enough, and so I thought he was going to go back further, which would be more convincing to me.

On the other hand some of it does seem to make sense. I think it's at least worth thinking about as you evaluate guys.
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Yeah, Locke's data samples are small enough that you'd almost have to call them anectdotal. Some guys improve and some don't.
The story on Isaac Okoro was that he could be an athletic, two-way impact player if he learns to shoot.
The story on Dyson Daniels was that he could be a 6'6", athletic, two-way guard or lead guard if he learns to shoot.
The story on Anthony Black was that he could also be an athletic, two-way, lead guard, if he makes enough shots to make defenders guard him.
The story on Justise Winslow was that he could be an athletic, two-way wing with some playmaking if he learns to shoot better.

The only take-away is that every year there are several guys for whom you'd say, "If this guy can just shoot..." Among those guys, there are a few who make the necessary improvements, like Jaylen Brown, and a whole bunch that don't. When you see a guy like Castle, who is actively turning down open shots, and then you see that his numbers likewise show a lack of confidence, it should be a red flag, imo.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
It's not about how many followers he has. It's about whether the front office wants him putting out messaging that contradicts what the front office is doing. He's still considered an "official voice" of the Jazz and he gives regular interviews with Jazz-affiliated media. He's less likely to promote his own personal opinions than a journalist. His job is really to support the Jazz organization.

Every year, Locke basically tries to manage people's expectations and talk about draft prospects that conservatively should be available to the Jazz in the draft. This year, he's saying he likes Cody Williams, Ron Holland and Jared McCain. At least two of those guys should be available at #10. One year, Locke was over the moon for Trey Lyles, and sure enough Lyles was the pick that year.
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Just agree to disagree then.

I know he likes to say that he’s the “official voice of the Utah Jazz”, like he shouts that from the rooftop as if it’s his birth right as if it puts him on a mantle or something.

At the end of the day he’s more or less just a Craig Bolerjack right?

Like another poster had said, maybe he was something more for the previous regime, I don’t think he’s much of anything now for the Ryan Smith / Danny Ainge combo.
 
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