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The difference between the giants and niners is that the niners with 2:30 left in the first half try to run the clock out. Giants get the ball back with 1:30 left and go for points.

I think the niners may have had the more complete team. And i say that being a giants fan.

I think the giants have better recievers and quarterback and better D ends (maybe). But the niners defense as a whole is better. Thats one bad *** defense. The niners offensive line is great too. Giants have an average offensive line and no running game to speak of. Jacobs is a joke. He'll be gone next year

The problem with the niners is alex smith and the conservative offensive play calls. They cant open it up because of his limited ability. Alex has had a decent year, but he is no where near the quarterback Eli is.

People just need to give Eli his due for carrying the team this year.

Also if the niners had ted ginn last night I think the niners advance. Not just because he would have held on to the ball but also because he would have given them better field position through out the game.
 
The Thriller said:
The same could be said about the Jets and Ravens.

Especially, the Ravens.

Crabtree is a big play receiver. Is he Calvin Johnson? No. But I don't see the Niners doing much to get him the ball. Put him in motion, run some WR screens, give him the ball off reverses...

Folks like to dismiss Bill Bilicheck and his offense for having great players. Which, they obviously do. But then again, you won't see another team in football (other than maybe Oregon) utilize their talent as much as the Pats do. They'll put Hernadez in the backfield. They'll pick off big defenders to open up things for Wes Welker. They'll match Gronk on a slow linebacker. They'll split him out on one side of the field while going trips onto the other side of the field to allow him to work one on one.

they have playmakers... And they seek every opportunity to get those playmakers the ball in very successful situations.

Teams that don't focus on offense/run conservative offenses, don't do this. Why don't the Niners ever go into trips? Why don't they ever attempt to go no huddle? Why don't they ever run reverses? Why don't they ever run a trick play? Why don't they ever put Crabtree in motion? Why don't they continue to lob the ball up to Davis? Why not split Frank Gore out as a WR? Why not go 5 wide out of the shotgun and give Alex a pass/run option? If the defense sags to cover the receivers, Alex should be uncovered and can run a QB draw. If the defense keeps someone in, then a WR or two should be wide open.
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Actually the niners do run reverses. They tried one last night. They tried it alot more with ted ginn
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Not true. The Jets beating the Colts in SB III was the biggest upset ever, at least if you're going by point spread because that, I believe, was 18. The NY/Pats one was somewhere between 8.5-11.5. I forget exactly where but nowhere near 18.
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I know, that's why I said since the AFL/NFL merger; which was in 1970

Super Bowl III was before that.
 
I am disappointed that Katie hasn't made an appearance. She's probably really busy and likely would not have posted a "WHO'S GOT IT BETTER" video seconds after a 49er win, had that happened. Right?
 
Dear Thriller,

I am going to stand pat on my statement. Please feel free to disagree, but I am uninterested in engaging your argument. Thanks and good day.

Bronco
 
Crabtree sucks, I think. But im not sure. He drops too many balls, I know that. I wish as fans watching at home we could see the whole field somehow. Its hard to completely judge recievers, db's, qb's and safeties without seeing who is open down field, who runs good routes, and which qb's read the field the best.
 
BluesRocker said:
Crabtree sucks, I think. But im not sure. He drops too many balls, I know that. I wish as fans watching at home we could see the whole field somehow. Its hard to completely judge recievers, db's, qb's and safeties without seeing who is open down field, who runs good routes, and which qb's read the field the best.
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That is my favorite part about going to game. You actually get to see what the secondary and receivers are doing.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
There have been many, many excellent SB's over the last decade or so but all pale in comparison to the Giants /Bills one for me. I know we each hold things special in our memories but I still remember but much of that game vividly. We were in the middle of the war in the Middle East or whatever we called it and there therefore was much precaution taken to ensure there was no terrorist activity. The Americana/tension vibe in the building was palpable. Then, Whitney came in, partly lipsung or not, and crushed the National Anthem pushing the patriotism/SB feel to an almost off the charts level. Then, the game started. It was the unstoppable juggernaut of a Bills team (who I believe scored 49 in the first half the previous week vs. Oakland in the AFC Championship game) vs NY, the tough, grind it out, full of heart Parcells coached team. They were the antithesis of one another. And the game was always close throughout and full of memorable plays that kept this sort of David vs. Goliath going. My favorite two were Ottis (OJ) Anderson's run (off tackle left I picture it) in which about ten yards down the field, he gave a wind-up forearm shiver to a Bills tackler. Later on, on a drive that I believe was a must score mid-way or late through the 4th for the Giants, NY converted on a 3rd and 15 or something like that in which Hoss completed about a 9 yard pass which the receiver then took, juking defender after defender, fighting for every little inch, to get the first down. Just some of the most gutty plays you could imagine. Buffalo got the ball last, and I recall a run (or maybe screen pass) which Thurman Thomas took for a big gain, maybe 35 yards or so, I believe between the right guard and RT, down the right side. Back and forth. Back and forth. A great team vs. a great team. And one that came down to the last play.

Some of these other ones were great but did not have the background drama and also weren't great throughout. The Rams/Titans one was boring as hell in the first half. The Pats/Carolina one was also a snoozer in the first half. The Rams/Pats was sort of meh before the ending. The Giants/Pats was great because of the undefeated season but I never remember feeling that intangible, that something so special is in the air feeling, like I did with NY/Buffalo. But that's just me.
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I agree. This was the best Super Bowl ever with one of the greatest plays in Super Bowl history. The Mark Ingram 3rd down reception and run where he broke 5 tackles to get the first down was an incredible moment. Definitely one of the 5 greatest plays in Super Bowl history.
 
Few rapidfire things

-I don't know that Alex Smith has improved at all from a skill standpoint. He's just confident now with a competent team and making fewer mistakes.

-Eli Manning was absolutely incredible. I don't know how many QBs could take the beating that he did and against a good secondary on the road and not just win, but do it without any turnovers.

-I feel bad for Cundiff. I also hate Cundiff

-I can't hate Cundiff too much, superbowl rematches almost never happen.

-I'm pretty excited to watch the SB this year. In interest of not jinxing anything, I'm not going to say, "I can't wait to watch Brady just get pummeled the entire game".

-Katie is like most Niner fans; bad losers and even worse winners.
 
So not sure what the Denver D coordinator is doing taking the Oakland head coaching job. They just gave their past. Lacy what 1 year after he was dealt a number or injuries, letting the top corner in the NFL go, and giving him a QB 1/4 the way into the season.

To me that's the true black hole for coaches but I guess you only get a small chance ever to be a NFL head coach.
 
To be honest I'm completely fascinated by the current Colts storyline. What's going to happen with the coaching spot? What's going to happen with Peyton? I'm sure they are going to draft Luck, but then what do you do with Peyton? He can't be traded...I would guess that they would have to release him.

Given the recent success of Newton and Dalton the bar is going to be set pretty high for Luck and RG3. Long gone are the days when you would draft a QB and expect him to sit for couple of seasons. Rookie QB's are expected to produce immediately.
 
Boondocksaint27 said:
To be honest I'm completely fascinated by the current Colts storyline. What's going to happen with the coaching spot? What's going to happen with Peyton? I'm sure they are going to draft Luck, but then what do you do with Peyton? He can't be traded...I would guess that they would have to release him.

Given the recent success of Newton and Dalton the bar is going to be set pretty high for Luck and RG3. Long gone are the days when you would draft a QB and expect him to sit for couple of seasons. Rookie QB's are expected to produce immediately.
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I am too. I personally think they should pick up that bonus because Peyton deserves every cent of it and because it gives the Colts an asset to build with. I think they should then trade him with some other vets to another team.

On your second point I kind of disagree. If a team has a competent QB and they draft someone else - generally speaking - I think that player will still sit until they're obviously better or they capitalize on an opportunity. However, with respect to Luck, Manning, and the Colts, all of the stakes are very high. With the stock and acumen that Luck has he had better produce out of the gate. Manning might be done anyway, but that organization is cleaning house anyway (and rightfully so). It's kind of scary and crazy to go from arguably (and I would certainly argue this) the best QB of all time to a rookie suddenly and hope it turns out well (and IMO, going that route seems like the common sense thing to do).
 
What teams could especially use Manning? Jets seem to be the clear candidate there (though I don't know what their asset situation is like, nor do I know how the NFL CBA works). Bears? The Harbaugh teams/this year's conference finalists have good QBs but you can't tell me that Manning wouldn't be a huge upgrade over them. Titans seem like they could be a dark horse. Chiefs? Vikings? What about the Cowboys, that would be a hell of a story.

I'm really interested to see how this pans out. Hopefully it turns out more 'good' than 'interesting' for the Colts.
 
NUMBERICA said:
What teams could especially use Manning? The Harbaugh teams/this year's conference finalists have good QBs but you can't tell me that Manning wouldn't be a huge upgrade over them.
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I'm forever Niners, and a big fan of Alex Smith, but I would take a healthy Peyton Manning in a second.
 
Boondocksaint27 said:
To be honest I'm completely fascinated by the current Colts storyline. What's going to happen with the coaching spot? What's going to happen with Peyton? I'm sure they are going to draft Luck, but then what do you do with Peyton? He can't be traded...I would guess that they would have to release him.

Given the recent success of Newton and Dalton the bar is going to be set pretty high for Luck and RG3. Long gone are the days when you would draft a QB and expect him to sit for couple of seasons. Rookie QB's are expected to produce immediately.
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As you probably know, they hired a coach today (the former Ravens D-coordinator). As for Peyton, I expect that he'll be released before they have to kick in the $28M roster bonus. Then I expect a huge bidding war with the Dolphins, Seahawks, Cardinals, Redskins, and possibly the Cowboys and Jets getting involved, for the services of Manning. It will be fun to watch.
 
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