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Kamala Harris for Pres

Safetydan said:
Sorry for the multiple posts. I wanted to catch up.

Here are my general thoughts. Respond if you want.

1. Kamala is nobody's first choice, obviously. It's still better than Joe Biden staying in the race and like I said before, its possible that the best dem candidates don't want to waste their budding political capital on a campaign this year, under these circumstances. It's also possible that they may not want to put their name out there in the name of party unity. (**** you Joe Manchin)

2. With that said. Trump is a historically disliked candidate. Biden won in 2020 because people hate him. Dems don't need their best to beat him. You just need to be better than Hilary Clinton in 2016 and Trump is no longer the outsider candidate. He has all of the baggage of his first admin, Jan. 6th and a felony conviction.

3. The progressive caucus, the politicians who most closely align with working-class interests, were pushing for Joe to stay. I think this is because they were going to get concessions after showing him they were his strongest allies. Obviously, Brandon couldn't stay but the one endorsed by him may still be grateful for the loyalty shown. It's wishful thinking but I hope that we get some more momentum towards an even more progressive and Socdem forward admin.

4. Overall, my attitude is to wait and see how things play out. Kamala has no charisma but hopefully she stays off of the Xanax and we all can see an aggressive and confident woman unburdened by what has been.

5. @The Thriller Chill TF out. I'm pretty sure many of us here complaining that Kamala sucks still agrees that she's better than Brandon, and leagues better than Trump. Getting after the posters because they don't immediately get behind the decisions made by the DNC is crazy because they objectively suck, like all the time. We can hate the dems and still end up voting for them because we can, surprisingly, hold two thoughts in our head at the same time. Give us some credit.
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I’m fine with people not loving Harris. I certainly don’t. I’m tired of the mindless trolling that goes on. I’m blocking those who are just stupid. If moderators aren’t going to enforce standards then posters need to do so. Make the trolls pay a price.
 
Kamala has that Bitch factor.

"Much of Harris' staff has turned over in the past 3½ years.
About half of the vice president's staff is paid by the Senate, which requires regular disclosures. Of the 47 Harris staffers listed in 2021, only five still worked for her as of this spring, according to the disclosures. Her full staff list is not publicly disclosed."
 
The Thriller said:
I’m fine with people not loving Harris. I certainly don’t. I’m tired of the mindless trolling that goes on. I’m blocking those who are just stupid. If moderators aren’t going to enforce standards then posters need to do so. Make the trolls pay a price.
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The problem is that sometimes your definition of troll is a bit too confined (not sure if that's the right word)

I mean steak and eggs is a huge difference from other posters. And I can understand a few others being considered trolls as well.

But posters like hearsky are no where close to trolls. You just got triggered way too easily in that instance. Sometimes you need to show a bit more tolerance.

Like there is a chance you might call me a troll and put me on ignore for this post.

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str8line said:
Kamala has that Bitch factor.

"Much of Harris' staff has turned over in the past 3½ years.
About half of the vice president's staff is paid by the Senate, which requires regular disclosures. Of the 47 Harris staffers listed in 2021, only five still worked for her as of this spring, according to the disclosures. Her full staff list is not publicly disclosed."
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Ya that's not good. Reminds me of trump tbh

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LogGrad98 said:
We keep saying Trump is a historically disliked candidate, but it goes deeper than that. He is the most polarizing figure we have ever had in American politics. He is either rabidly hated to the point where millions would likely have cheered if he had been assassinated. But on the other side he is worshipped like a true and real demigod. He has enough power and pull to win the seat once, narrowly miss it a second time, and now be heavily leading in most polls. For being so hated and reviled, he is worshipped by enough people, and pulls in the closet bigots to his side when the other cannot present a candidate those bigots are comfortable voting for. They are really only comfortable voting for an old white male. That is the sorry state of it is this election will likely hinge on the closeted white bigots' votes.

So even though we can fully acknowledge that Harris is better than both current candidates in every meaningful way, that is not what will win this election. Those closeted bigots won't look past her skin color and her gender to vote for the policies or the youth at this point. Putting her forth as the new candidate will effectively waste our one shot, like Jack Sparrow's single-shot gun. We have now one powerful chance to unseat the demon-king heading up the MAGA cult. But it won't happen if the trigger is pulled on a black female with a poor track record and not very much publicity to this point. The closeted bigots will swing to Trump and it will all be over.

So if we want to win this, we need someone other than Harris at the head of the ticket. Keep her on as VP again maybe, to cash in on what little cachet she has developed in the democratic party to this point.

I am not saying she is a bad candidate because she is black and female. She is miles better than either Trump or Biden, objectively. But voting is seldom done objectively. It is an emotional undertaking with complexities beyond the candidates' platforms. And unfortunately the block we are trying to swing have a strong contingent of closeted bigots that need to be mollified. If not, we simply hand the election to Trump.

I do think there is an outside chance Kamala could beat Trump. But that is a slim chance. Put a candidate out that is viewed as "safe" by these swing voters, meaning white male and relatively middle-aged, so neither too old nor too young, and I think it is a slam dunk.

I will take slam dunk over slim chance any day of the week when it means keeping the most evil presidential candidate we have ever had from taking the election and establishing his dictatorship. Because one thing I think is that Trump is a man of is word, at least when it comes to what is good and builds power for Trump. And he has stated he has no problem establishing a dictatorship. He can then become what he most admires in Un and Putin, and he can have what he most craves, unlimited and absolute power. We have to remember this is an existential crisis we are facing, not just another election. We need to put the right candidate out there, one who can win this thing with room to spare. And unfortunately, Kamala ain't it.
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Mate Trump and Trump supports make me hate being a rich, old white man.
 
str8line said:
Kamala has that Bitch factor.

"Much of Harris' staff has turned over in the past 3½ years.
About half of the vice president's staff is paid by the Senate, which requires regular disclosures. Of the 47 Harris staffers listed in 2021, only five still worked for her as of this spring, according to the disclosures. Her full staff list is not publicly disclosed."
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She's just unburdening herself with what has been.
 
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Sardines said:
When the sauerkraut is done I think I'll try making some kimchi.
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Why don't you **** off? Kimchi? An affront to decency, you sir are a thief, you come here and you steal the great common peace and pollute it with your foulness. Have you no shame you heathen?
 
Safetydan said:
She's just unburdening herself with what has been.
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Hey, you made it make sense!
Nicely done

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