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Mathews signs offer sheet w/Blazers (5 yrs/34 mil)

H.E. Pennypacker said:
Maybe there are some rules I don't know about, but why wasn't KOC on the phone with Wesley's agent at midnight making him a fair, 2-3 year offer? There's no way Wesley was expecting this offer from Portland and I'm almost positive they would have taken it. The "go out and let another team set your value" thing failed pretty hard.
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If Wes was determined to stay with the Jazz, maybe. But since he was obviously determined to find the best money offer available, there's no way Wes would have taken a "fair" offer right at the beginning of FA. He and his agent aren't stupid.
 
gregbroncs said:
Nope they knew he would get an offer and there is no reason to worry about it until they do. What did being in the loop have anything to do with it? Your being naive to the max.
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You mean trying to be proactive and negotiate with a free agent of your own team that you like instead of telling him to go and find another offer would be too worrisome? Who is being naive here?
 
An undrafted rookie should not be making more than the #1 pick in the draft for the next 5 years. Pass KOC, and laugh as Portland continues to suck.
 
Borat said:
You mean trying to be proactive and negotiate with a free agent of your own team that you like instead of telling him to go and find another offer would be too worrisome? Who is being naive here?
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If Wes was wiling to take less money to play on the Jazz, the deal would have probably been done by now. The only way he signs with the Jazz right away is if they offer him what Portland offered him. But as a restricted FA, their goal is to go and find the best offer they can. They aren't stupid enough to jump at the first offer they get. They can see the ridiculous salaries FA's are getting this offseason.
 
calijazz said:
If Wes was wiling to take less money to play on the Jazz, the deal would have probably been done by now. The only way he signs with the Jazz right away is if they offer him what Portland offered him. But as a restricted FA, their goal is to go and find the best offer they can. They aren't stupid enough to jump at the first offer they get. They can see the ridiculous salaries FA's are getting this offseason.
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The whole point is that KOC had no idea that this offer was even coming (he was bracing for 25 mil offer after telling Wes to go find an offer elsewhere), hence was out of touch with the situation, and we let Korver get signed somewhere else too (for far more reasonable amount). I am not disagreeing with you here that Wes contract is high, and perhaps matching is not the best idea. But I also don't like Jazz FO to sit on their asses and just wait for things to happen around them as available player pool gets drier and drier by the hour, while other teams pick up players, including 3 of our own. Let's see what KOC comes up with on Monday when he is going to "take a look" and assess the situation.
 
Borat said:
The whole point is that KOC had no idea that this offer was even coming (he was bracing for 25 mil offer after telling Wes to go find an offer elsewhere), hence was out of touch with the situation, and we let Korver get signed somewhere else too (for far more reasonable amount). I am not disagreeing with you here that Wes contract is high, and perhaps matching is not the best idea. But I also don't like Jazz FO to sit on their asses and just wait for things to happen around them as available player pool gets drier and drier by the hour, while other teams pick up players, including 3 of our own. Let's see what KOC comes up with on Monday when he is going to "take a look" and assess the situation.
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Why would the Blazers or Wes' camp be willing to tell them what the Blazers are offering, even if he KOC did try to find out (which we have no way or knowing whether he did or didn't)? It wouldn't be to either party's advantage to tell them what the Blazers were offering. It's not like the Jazz could have offered more than the Blazers are offering. I think you are expecting something that isn't logical.

As far Korver goes, I will agree with you that I wish they have been more proactive in talking to Korver. But perhaps they felt absolutely no use for Korver when they drafted Hayward no matter what. They had to know a worse case scenario with Wes was possible. So, who knows.
 
calijazz said:
Why would the Blazers or Wes' camp be willing to tell them what the Blazers are offering, even if he KOC did try to find out (which we have no way or knowing whether he did or didn't)? It wouldn't be to either party's advantage to tell them what the Blazers were offering. It's not like the Jazz could have offered more than the Blazers are offering. I think you are expecting something that isn't logical.
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I am expecting the team to be involved with negotiations about a player they like instead of saying go find another offer, then brace themselves for 25 mil offer and get shocked when something else comes in, and lose another wing in the process for far more reasonable amount. Is that so illogical?
 
Borat said:
I am expecting the team to be involved with negotiations about a player they like instead of saying go find another offer, then brace themselves for 25 mil offer and get shocked when something else comes in, and lose another wing in the process for far more reasonable amount. Is that so illogical?
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Who says they weren't? The Jazz probably made an offer that Wes wasn't willing to accept, so he went and found one that he liked better.

And obviously we value Korver more than the Jazz did. They must feel Hayward easily replaces him. That I would say I don't agree with the Jazz on, not the handling of Wes' contract.
 
Borat said:
The whole point is that KOC had no idea that this offer was even coming (he was bracing for 25 mil offer after telling Wes to go find an offer elsewhere), hence was out of touch with the situation...
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Now that's the "whole point," eh, Borat? Earlier in this thread you were adamant that the Jazz should NOT match a 25 million offer. Was KOC supposed to make him sign a contract for $3 million a year at gunpoint? You will really go to any length to try to give the impression that you're brilliant and that KOC is just plumb stoopid, won't ya?

Sorry, but it aint workin. Worse than that, actually. It's straight-up back-firin.
 
Hopper said:
Now that's the "whole point," eh, Borat? Earlier in this thread you were adamant that the Jazz should NOT match a 25 million offer. Was KOC supposed to make him sign a contract for $3 million a year at gunpoint? You will really go to any length to try to give the impression that you're brilliant and that KOC is just plumb stoopid, won't ya?

Sorry, but it aint workin.
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I like KOC. Which is why I am surprised he is yet to get off his *** this summer and do something. Maybe on Monday, as he said.
 
ShaggyReAL said:
Indulge me, what is pathetic about the Jazz off season so far?
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Drafting the great white bust, letting the 2nd best player on the team (by far) walk for what will probably become nothing (just like the Harpring TPE will), losing a player that just set a record for highest 3-pt FG% over a season, and either losing or overpaying for the only cool part about last year.

This offseason is terrible.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Drafting the great white bust, letting the 2nd best player on the team (by far) walk for what will probably become nothing (just like the Harpring TPE will), losing a player that just set a record for highest 3-pt FG% over a season, and either losing or overpaying for the only cool part about last year.

This offseason is terrible.
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Good points - except drafting bust. Did you catch any summer league games by any chance?
 
Speaking of Michael Beasley, didn't he wind up on the Timberwolves for nothing (meaning the Jazz could've nabbed him)?

And if there's such a thing as karma, Brandon Roy's knee shatters and Microsoft goes bankrupt. The Blazers are a complete ******* organization.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Remember when Michael Beasley was amazing in summer league? Or more importantly, DJ Strawberry?
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Ah, some random people in the past were busts despite playing well in the summer league, which means Hayward is also a bust. Of course! How could I not see that?!
 
Meet your new starting SG for the Utah Jazz: Ronnie Brewer.

Paul Allen sure is pissed still about us getting Deron. He's been trying to screw us every year. That's way too much for Wesley. I've been a HUGE fan of MAtthews, but I don't think the Jazz should match.

Re-sign Brewer, go with what we have and get a #10 pick next season when we finish 11th in the WC. We should get no worse than a guy like Xavier Henry.

LET THE REBUILDING BEGIN!!!
 
Screw Brewer we had him once, do not bring him back. I don't hate brewer but there is a reason the Jazz let him go and that the Grizz haven't re-signed him.
 
I think Brewer is a great guy, but I'm not super excited with the idea of losing KK, Boozer, and Wesley and signing Brewer.
 
According to the report on sltrib.com, Matthews' agent told the Jazz it would take the full MLE to keep him, and the Jazz told them, "Well, go see if you can get that, then."

I'm betting they keep him. Williams is probably on the phone right now with KOC informing him of exactly that.
 
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