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Iran wants trump dead, and might be behind the two failed assassination attempts
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As bad as Kamala is at speaking on policy The Rapist is worse.
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It is the American system of government and it is brilliant. The founders reserved the top place in our government, not for a man who could be good or evil, but with a piece of paper. The supreme ruler of our system of government is the US Constitution. The President is only the minister of the Executive Branch and is beneath the US Constitution. So long as the US Constitution is in place, I'm less concerned about the moral goodness of the role-players subject to its authority.
Speaking of upgrading his golf courses, is Ivanka still buried in the weeds next to the 14th tee?
Why Ivana Trump Was Buried at Bedminster Golf Course: 3 Theories
For 15 years, Donald Trump dreamed of turning his New Jersey property into a cemetery. Now his ex-wife is buried there in a simple, overgrown grave.
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"A little over a year later, the mystery persists. Photographs published by The Daily Mail on August 12, 2023 show that Ivana’s grave is marked with a small headstone, which “has become overgrown with grass and is barely visible.”
So what exactly is going on here? I have a few theories.
Theory 1: Trump
If Trump National Golf Club Bedminster held a special place in Ivana’s heart, there’s no record of it. Donald bought the property in 2002, a full decade after their divorce was finalized. While Ivana maintained a friendship with her ex-husband through her final days, and her daughter, Ivanka, was married at the club, it does not appear that Ivana ever publicly praised the property.There is, however, ample evidence that Donald Trump thinks Bedminster is a phenomenal place to be laid to rest. “Wouldn’t you want to be buried here?” he mused to The Wall Street Journal in 2015. The idea has been on his mind for at least 15 years. Back in 2007, Trump filed paperwork to build a windowless wedding chapel at Bedminster that would later be converted into a mausoleum for himself and his family.
Drawings filed with the Somerset County township called for what NJ.com described as a “19-foot-high, classical-style stone structure” with “four imposing obelisks surrounding its exterior and a small altar and six vaults inside. Locals balked at the proposal, which they deemed gaudy, and Trump withdrew the plan. Five years later, he came back with a new idea: Instead of a mausoleum, he would be buried at a large cemetery with more than 1,000 graves. “The idea, apparently, was that Trump’s golf-club members would buy the other plots, seizing the chance at eternal membership,” the Washington Post reported.
Facing continued opposition to his ghoulish ambitions, Trump revised his plans once again. In 2014, the Trump Organization filed paperwork to build two graveyards at Bedminster. One would have 284 lots for sale to the public, while the other would consist of just ten plots for Trump and his family near the first tee. The company’s filing with the state said Trump “specifically chose this property for his final resting place as it is his favorite property.”
In an October 2023 interview, Eric Trump revealed it was his father’s idea to have his mother laid to rest at the “family funeral plot.” “He was the one to say, you know, ‘I want her with us,’” Eric said. “It was pretty amazing again, you know, kind of a wife long removed — ex-wife long removed. He’s an incredible man. He’s got a heart of gold.”
Theory 2: Trump is running an elaborate tax scheme.
Some remain skeptical that Trump actually considers this the most fabulous piece of property he owns:
The Trump National Golf Club Bedminster on July 31. Photo: Jared C. Tilton/LIV via Getty Images
The average person might say Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s seaside Florida resort, is more spectacular, but they’re not looking at Bedminister through the eyes of a person with an alleged passion for tax avoidance. This tweet from Brooke Harrington, a professor of sociology at Dartmouth, sparked speculation that Bedminster’s real appeal as a graveyard lies in New Jersey tax law.
Indeed, as Insider reported, there are some surprising perks to being the proprietor of a New Jersey graveyard:
And the Trump family has definitely been pursuing the tax advantages of cemetery ownership. A document published by ProPublica shows that the Trump Family Trust sought to designate a property in Hackettstown, New Jersey, about 20 miles from Bedminster, as a nonprofit cemetery company back in 2016.
But there is reason to question this too-Trumpy-to-be-true allegation. First, all this cemetery business is unnecessary because he has already found a way to drastically reduce his Bedminster tax burden. When the Post’s David Farenthold looked into Trump’s cemetery obsession in 2017, he concluded it wouldn’t be very profitable as a business venture or a tax-avoidance scheme:
According to a 2019 HuffPost analysis, Trump slashed his Bedminster tax bill by about $88,000 a year by keeping eight goats and farming 113 acres of hay on the property.
Is is possible that the cemetery business is some kind of backup tax- avoidance scheme? I suppose, but it doesn’t make a ton of sense to this humble TurboTax user.
Theory 3: Trump is just keeping it weird.
“It’s always been my suspicion that there’s something we don’t know” about Trump’s cemetery plan, Bedminster land-use board member Nick Strakhov told Farenthold in 2017.It does seem we’re missing a key piece of the boneyard puzzle. But there is one thing we know about Trump now that wasn’t quite as apparent back then: He is a super-weird guy. He has managed to be weird with various kinds of paper, toilet bowls, aircraft carriers, and “dangerous fruit,” to name just a few of his proclivities. The thought of our inevitable demise brings out strange feelings and behavior in most people. Some of the rich plan to freeze themselves or shoot their remains into space; is it any surprise that Trump has some grandiose idea about how he and his family should be laid to rest?
“It’s never something you like to think about, but it makes sense,” Trump told the New York Post during his first attempt to make Bedminster a cemetery in 2007. “This is such beautiful land, and Bedminster is one of the richest places in the country.”
Trumpy commentary on the wealth of northern New Jersey aside, that sounds astonishingly well adjusted.
This piece was updated to include Eric Trump’s comments on his mother’s gravesite.
Bawse Dawg
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Yet you vote for the guy who literally tried to overthrow a democratic election, promised to us by this constitution that you hold so dear. You want to give him another chance!
Utterly baffling
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I recall, but have not searched the archives, you stated, probably a couple of years ago by now, and this is pretty close: “It doesn’t matter who the president is”. Makes no difference at all who our president is, you stated. You’re ensconced in another universe so far as I can see. Back to ignoring your lunacy…..
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And it shows they do not want to be educated. We had a private chat on Whatsapp with my family about politics and my SIL who is decidedly conservative had no response to the vast majority of stuff we posted. I asked again and again for any refutation he could come up with, aside from essentially saying "nuh-uh, Trump is great" with nothing behind it. But in the end, "nuh-uh Trump is great" is really all they got. So he finally left the chat with the final "insult" hurled...."I will leave you all to your echo chamber", while he cozies up in his own. Kind of sad really, especially for intelligent educated people to be so blinded by ideology like that.
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Oh, it matters, more than anything else it matters. When Gen. Milley reminds us the clown is “fascist to the core”, it most certainly matters. Send the army after civilian protestors? “The enemy within”?? Wonder if that includes yours truly? Well, since I’d join the Resistance, already am, yeah, that must include me. Actually, it will include me to my dying breath, resist the monster to my last breath. Proudly. As an American patriot.
Talk policy? Why don’t you suggest that to the Trump campaign? He had a chance night before last. He passed on taking more questions at a Town Hall.
Here’s how Trump and his cult talk policy…
OK, now back to ignoring your ignorance….
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Immorality, corruption, scandal in the president may not matter in regards to governing/legislation/policy/etc (though I tend to disagree with that) but it certain matters to the perception of our country, which does matter to me. It also matters to the mentality of the citizens of the country. If the president is an immoral, corrupt, scandalous, combative, devisive leader then that energy those characteristics will trickle down to infect the citizens as well. All of us have seen this many many times over the last 8 years.
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You should read it. The constitution promises no such thing. The term "democracy" is not used a single time in either the constitution or declaration of independence. The US constitution actually hates democracy. Every one of the amendments in the Bill of Rights is there to thwart democracy.
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Is that how you see the Harris / Biden administration that has been in power for the past 4 years? Is that what you believe has motivated would-be assassins to kill the political opposition?
I disagree. Trump may be surfing the waves, but the people made the storm all on their own.
Iran needs to improve their hiring assassins budget if those two were the best contract workers they could hire.
Bawse Dawg
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So you are in favor of Trump trying to overthrow a democratic election then?
You wish it had worked and wouldn’t mind if he did it again?
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trump has had the loudest voice and largest influence in American politics over the last 8 years. It ain't about power. You yourself said the president has no power.
trumps rhetoric, immorality, vitriol, divisiveness, scandalous combative treacherous scumbag douchey nature is what motivated the would be assassins.
trump does his damage to society simply by being in the discussion.
Let's say trump gave up politics after losing the last election and didn't make a big fuss about his loss. Currently it is Nikki Hailey vs Biden or Harris. The division, anger, hate, combativeness, rhetoric, hyperbole, etc of American society would be much less than it currently is.
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That depends on what you are referring to.
I am in favor of having the legality of emergency provisions that affected the system of counting votes challenged in a court of law. The flurry of lawsuits from the Trump team after the 2020 election, I viewed them as not only justified, but good for America.
I disapprove strongly of the scheme to use fake electors.
I think the riot at the Capitol on January 6th was horrible and monumentally stupid if the goal was to support Trump, but also made no difference. The Electoral College vote happened in December. If anything, it proved how robust our Electoral College system is.
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I've never said the US President has no power. The President does have power but only the power the US Constitution had granted to the holder of that office. The US Constitution is king. The President is only a minister of the Executive Branch under the US Constitution.
I've also said the President doesn't make much difference in my life. I do fine when Democrats hold the office and I do fine when Republicans hold the office. I thank the US Constitution for limiting how wildly any single office holder, even one as powerful as the US President, can swing things. The system is a true work of art cobbled together a quarter of a millennia ago. It isn't perfect but I haven't seen a better system yet.
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Dress it up however you want, but look at what you are just hand waving away…
I wish a Trump supporter could explain it in someway that doesn’t sound completely insane to me. But saying he did a fake electoral scheme that challenged the very foundation of our electoral systems, BUT it didn’t work so who cares? I mean, we will never see eye to eye if that’s how you argue Trumps merits.
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That is not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that it couldn't work. What Trump was trying to do had no possibility of overthrowing anything, and since then the system has been further reinforced via the Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act.
I'm saying the hysterics over democracy almost being lost are just that: hysterics.
Democracy doesnt actually exist.
Bawse Dawg
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Mind elaborating? What exactly was Trump trying to do, by your own admission?
This candidate you are about to vote for again.