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BENTLEY said:
Bawse, so now that we have a baseline established over four different election cycles, how do we explain the 20M mystery votes Biden got in 2020?

Cheating would explain it (dirty voter rolls, not allowing observers in the tabulation rooms, 3am vote dumps).

Just saying “most secure election ever” didn’t account for these things.

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Well you see there are more independent voters than either Democratic voters or Republican voters. We had just come off a trump term and his approval rating was abysmal. Democrats voted Democrat. Some Republicans voted Democrat. Independents voted Democrat.
That was easy.

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Anyone who doesn't hold political office, work for a political office holder, work for a political party directly or hold a position in a political party who refers to their self as either a Republican or a Democrat is an idiot, imho. You're just a voter.

It's like when a sports team fan goes around calling the team "My Red Sox" and after wins says that he/she won last night. You're not on the team and the people who are on the team don't care about you in the slightest.
 
fishonjazz said:
Well you see there are more independent voters than either Democratic voters or Republican voters. We had just come off a trump term and his approval rating was abysmal. Democrats voted Democrat. Some Republicans voted Democrat. Independents voted Democrat.
That was easy.

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Yeah, that’s pretty vague, rather than just simple. But luckily the left are asking the right questions:

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What could possibly explain that???
 
BENTLEY said:
Yeah, that’s pretty vague, rather than just simple. But luckily the left are asking the right questions:

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Not vague. Look up how many registered Democrats there are. Then look up how many unaffiliated voters there are. Add the numbers together. Sprinkle in some Republicans who think trump sucked after his first term. Boom. Easy peasy. It's simple numbers. Specific ones.

As for those tweets or whatever. That's easy too. We didn't have record voter turnout this year. That happened in 2020. Easy peasy. Someone simply saying we had record voter turnout doesn't mean we had record voter turnout. I could say that about any election and it wouldn't make it true. What makes a record voter turnout is having the most voters turnout to vote. More people turned out to vote in 2020 than 2024 so 2024 obviously wasn't record voter turnout.


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fishonjazz said:
Funny that you think Twitter is a more credible news source than Fox News.

Who owns Twitter anyway?

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I run into a **** ton of high level “journalism” on twitter. Lot of PhD’s with decades of history in their heads.

That, and the N Korean soldiers binging on porn after Russia introduced them to the internet. Where else can you get stuff like that?
 
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We now have a president and administration that understands what needs to happen. We have a president that survived multiple assassination attempts by the deep state and unelected bureaucracy that have captured our government and corrupted its power. The American people have taken that power back and we’re going to fix this ****.
 
fishonjazz said:
Do you really think the president controls prices? Serious question. If he did, wouldn't that be anti American and anti capitalism?
Do you think the president controls crime? The president can't stop me from committing a crime.
Do you think the president controls the leaders of other countries and their military?

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If the president has no influence over any of this stuff than why do we need a president?
 
LogGrad98 said:
I'm really concerned for the future of social security and the cost of medical care in this country now. We could see both set backward by decades. Social security is so critical to a majority of our aging population that any threat to it should constitute a national crisis. And if it ends up being dissolved or even greatly reduced it will be a crisis. We are already so far behind all other developed nations in our medical system that this also constitutes a crisis. We can only hope that he doesn't try to dismantle both of these. Imo these are huge threats we just aren't taking about.
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LogGrad98 said:
The economy is booming right now more than it ever did from 2016 to 2020 by nearly every economic measure. Once he enacts the tariffs you'll see everything fall apart. Worst economic plan by far of any candidate. But I'm sure your brainwashing will help you explain it away.
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When did you become such a doomer? Join a cult or something?

No clue why anyone would think Trump will dismantle social security. That’s definitely not happening. Trump TCJA was marginal help to low income seniors, marginal but everything helps when affording basics is tough. He campaigned on removing SS tax and also removing tax on treasuries which also helps pensioners. He’s not gutting social security.

Tariffs will make the economy fall apart? Pure fear mongering. I’m open to hearing the mechanics of how they’ll be so hurtful and not help, but nobody offering up much other than fear. Try reading Michael Pettis if this is a big concern. I think he could alleviate some fears, if not convince you to switch stances as he has so many others over last two decades. I haven’t read him comment on Smoot-Hawley but enough knowledge here to understand how silly comparing 1932 export powerhouse USA to 2024 high trade deficit importer USA is. Trade wars disproportionately affect surplus countries (the ones with jobs to lose). This is in part why it took the US until WWII to come out of the depression, where Europeans exited sooner.

Trade is not 100% of GDP and the potential inflation is being way overblown. Many of the Chinese manufacturers have high profit margins. Those will likely absorb the brunt of tariff increases on their products. Substitution and made at home can offset more. Imports are roughly 14% of GDP, so a 10% tariff could mean a 1.4% inflation bump on back of napkin. One time. Not compounding.

The current account must balance. This means we manufacture assets to make up the goods n services deficit. We are selling off $100 billion of our country per month, and have lost millions of jobs. This has gutted small town America as we had no retraining program to counter negative consequences of the Washington Consensus.


I found the part on reduced lifetime income important. That’s also loss of national income while increasing welfare load. Free trade is not one sided.

The worry that “they will retaliate” is backwards. Trump-Biden tariffs are the retaliation to Chinese beggar-thy-neighbor policies designed to gut US industry. Is your recommendation really do nothing? Not only have we allowed them to undercut our businesses through subsidy, theft, import controls, & artificial yen devaluation, there are big future problems with allowing this trend to continue. We lose knowledge and most importantly investment and innovation, lowering future competitiveness and economic security.

Responding to foreign mercantilism is patriotic. We can handle a tiny amount of incremental inflation. Call it an investment in our future.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
If the president has no influence over any of this stuff than why do we need a president?
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I already answered that the presidents job is imo. President is the spokesperson for the country. He represents us. His job is to be a calming influence and someone with the character, morals and values to look up to as an example. Someone who can unite us.

But if you want the official definition of the job of the president then here you go: The executive branch consists of the President, his or her advisors and various departments and agencies. This branch is responsible for enforcing the laws of the land.

Don't see economy controller in that description. But hey, whenever you can hire a convicted felon and guy who steals from charities and makes fake universities to steal from people and is a sexual assaulter and has a bunch of other indictments to be in charge of law enforcement, you gotta do it I guess.

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