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Should Cody spend time in the G LEAGUE

Should Cody Williams get sent down to the Stars for a stint?

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I don't have a super strong opinion on what's best for Cody, but generally I would lean towards getting the NBA minutes if NBA minutes are available. Having said that, I can see why people think he's so bad that it is not possible for him to develop at the NBA level. It probably wouldn't make a huge difference for his career either way, I think the fact that we're having this conversation is somewhat telling about his ability though.

He is the number one tank commander, so I guess there's benefits to that.
 
He’s drowning. He needs confidence and a bigger role and he’s not going to do that in the big league this year.
 
NUMBERICA said:
He’s drowning. He needs confidence and a bigger role and he’s not going to do that in the big league this year.
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And this is why NBA minutes are not always better than no NBA minutes. Young people need to build confidence before they can have it, and that doesnt happen through constant failures.
 
HermanG said:
And this is why NBA minutes are not always better than no NBA minutes. Young people need to build confidence before they can have it, and that doesnt happen through constant failures.
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I agree with this 100%, but not sure that Cody's issues are a confidence thing, at least not yet. To me it really looks like the coaching staff is tweaking his shot and he's thinking through it in the games. HIs body language hasn't screamed frustration/lack of confidence, but maybe he's a just a guy that doesn't show his emotions. Now I'm sure if he continues to shoot as poorly as he has it will turn in to a confidence thing, so maybe you are right and we should stop it before it snowballs.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I agree with this 100%, but not sure that Cody's issues are a confidence thing, at least not yet. To me it really looks like the coaching staff is tweaking his shot and he's thinking through it in the games. HIs body language hasn't screamed frustration/lack of confidence, but maybe he's a just a guy that doesn't show his emotions. Now I'm sure if he continues to shoot as poorly as he has it will turn in to a confidence thing, so maybe you are right and we should stop it before it snowballs.
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Agreed. Throw enough airballs and you will start getting clowned/jabbed at eventually. Not a position I would put a 19 year old in.
 
I think a short stint where he can dial in his shot a bit against less talent would grow his confidence some. He looks out of his comfort zone shooting the three right now and it's probably a learning curve with coaches working with him on the shot. Turn him loose in the g league and see if reps are all that is needed.
 
I think there's some validity to simply gaining confidence, but I think we overvalue it in discussion. Yes it matters, but confidence comes from having actual ability. I wouldn't say confidence is his main issue, but rather a symptom of the main problem which is his actual ability at this stage. If you could inject Cody with confidence serum he'd still suck because his ability isn't NBA level yet. When thinking about sending him to the GLeague, having more or less confidence isn't what I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about the environment and whether or not that will lead to more true skill development. For all we know, getting sent down to the GLeague could have the opposite effect on his confidence.

The GLeague is terrible, helter skelter basketball. One thing it is good for is that players will get to do things and have a bigger than is possible than in the NBA. OTOH, it's very easy to build poor habits down there and you're not gaining experience in a true NBA environment. The way the game is played in the GLeague is nothing like the NBA. It's a good option if there are no minutes or no role. Right now, I honestly think Cody has both a role and minutes that are appropriate for him in the NBA.
 
Very few rookies are ready for prime time. There is a good reason why most young players are brought a long more slowly.
 
KqWIN said:
I think there's some validity to simply gaining confidence, but I think we overvalue it in discussion. Yes it matters, but confidence comes from having actual ability. I wouldn't say confidence is his main issue, but rather a symptom of the main problem which is his actual ability at this stage. If you could inject Cody with confidence serum he'd still suck because his ability isn't NBA level yet. When thinking about sending him to the GLeague, having more or less confidence isn't what I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about the environment and whether or not that will lead to more true skill development. For all we know, getting sent down to the GLeague could have the opposite effect on his confidence.

The GLeague is terrible, helter skelter basketball. One thing it is good for is that players will get to do things and have a bigger than is possible than in the NBA. OTOH, it's very easy to build poor habits down there and you're not gaining experience in a true NBA environment. The way the game is played in the GLeague is nothing like the NBA. It's a good option if there are no minutes or no role. Right now, I honestly think Cody has both a role and minutes that are appropriate for him in the NBA.
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Confidence does not derive from ability albeit ability (or lack of it) can influence it through positive/negative reinforcement. It is your own (and others) perception of your ability that defines confidence, which may or may not be in line with your actual ability.

Example:
How much do you actually know about confidence (which is a well researched psychological topic)?

Not much is my guess. Yet you are here confidently "common sensing" us on how it works.
 
He’s starting, why would he need to be sent down. GLeague is generally for prospects to get experience, how is starting experience in that league better than starting at the nba level?
 
HermanG said:
Confidence does not derive from ability albeit ability (or lack of it) can influence it through positive/negative reinforcement. It is your own (and others) perception of your ability that defines confidence, which may or may not be in line with your actual ability.

Example:
How much do you actually know about confidence (which is a well researched psychological topic)?

Not much is my guess. Yet you are here confidently "common sensing" us on how it works.
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You don't need to get so offended when I post nor do you need to make in your mind that I'm trying to "common sense" you. Seriously, I couldn't care less about what you think of me personally. It only bothers me because you are so insistent about talking about me instead of the actual topic. If you care about me so much I guess you can keep talking about me, but I won't engage. As for the actual topic:

I do belief one's actual ability is directly related to one's confidence. It's going to be individualistic to some extent, of course, but the starting point is going to be their actual ability/performance. I mean, one of the main reasons I can see for sending him down is so he can play against lesser competition and as a result perform better. Chances are that you're going to be more confident going against guys that are worse. But I don't think it's always more confidence = more development. Don't get me wrong, there is some validity to it. I just don't think it's this magic bullet.

I also don't think Cody's main issue in the NBA is confidence, but instead it's that he's not an NBA caliber player atm. But even if he's not NBA level, there's an argument to be made that NBA minutes are still better. I'm weary about the GLeague as a development tool because it's a poor quality of basketball and IMO promotes bad habits. I think the confidence will come from tangible development and while I don't feel strongly about, I think having a consistent NBA role is preferred environment for that.
 
KqWIN said:
You don't need to get so offended when I post nor do you need to make in your mind that I'm trying to "common sense" you. Seriously, I couldn't care less about what you think of me personally. It only bothers me because you are so insistent about talking about me instead of the actual topic. If you care about me so much I guess you can keep talking about me, but I won't engage. As for the actual topic:

I do belief one's actual ability is directly related to one's confidence. It's going to be individualistic to some extent, of course, but the starting point is going to be their actual ability/performance. I mean, one of the main reasons I can see for sending him down is so he can play against lesser competition and as a result perform better. Chances are that you're going to be more confident going against guys that are worse. But I don't think it's always more confidence = more development. Don't get me wrong, there is some validity to it. I just don't think it's this magic bullet.

I also don't think Cody's main issue in the NBA is confidence, but instead it's that he's not an NBA caliber player atm. But even if he's not NBA level, there's an argument to be made that NBA minutes are still better. I'm weary about the GLeague as a development tool because it's a poor quality of basketball and IMO promotes bad habits. I think the confidence will come from tangible development and while I don't feel strongly about, I think having a consistent NBA role is preferred environment for that.
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I didnt really talk about you. I said you are mislabeling confidence to something it isnt. My example may have been a bit trollish but it was (supposed to be) effective on proving a point while hopefully increasing your self-awareness.

Also I agree with you that I dont think his issue is confidence. However I am concerned about what his issues will do to his confidence if we allow him to be out there looking like he doesnt belong.

I mean why would we ever send someone to the G league, if not for lack of skills to play at NBA? Juzang is the one who doesnt get anything from there anymore, and needs NBA minutes.

We already messed up with NAW and maybe with Ochai as well (time will tell).. so let Johnny cook and Cody can go to the incubator.
 
HermanG said:
I didnt really talk about you. I said you are mislabeling confidence to something it isnt. My example may have been a bit trollish but it was (supposed to be) effective on proving a point while hopefully increasing your self-awareness.

Also I agree with you that I dont think his issue is confidence. However I am concerned about what his issues will do to his confidence if we allow him to be out there looking like he doesnt belong.

I mean why would we ever send someone to the G league, if not for lack of skills to play at NBA? Juzang is the one who doesnt get anything from there anymore, and needs NBA minutes.

We already messed up with NAW and maybe with Ochai as well (time will tell).. so let Johnny cook and Cody can go to the incubator.
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The easy answer is minutes/experience. If Cody was getting zero minutes at the NBA level, I think this would be a no brainer. Buts a unique situation where he has a guaranteed role and also not close to NBA level. In this instance, I still think it's probably better for his development to be in the NBA. Juzang is already getting minutes, the one who is not getting minutes is Brice. I don't think we need to play Juazang an extra 15-20 minutes a game on top of the 20 minutes he's already getting to know who we have in him. That certainly won't help the tank either.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
He’s starting, why would he need to be sent down. GLeague is generally for prospects to get experience, how is starting experience in that league better than starting at the nba level?
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it's a fair question. the answer is confidence. if you can start and play well, gaining confidence in yourself, remember that you really are a good player, that when you shoot it's going in, that can potentially do wonders.

what we don't know is whether confidence is even the issue or part of it or if he'd even play well in the g league. what you don't want is him to go down to the g league and stink it up - if confidence is the problem, you could stick a fork in him at that point.

if confidence isn't an issue and it's just that he isn't ready or just playing bad/slumping to start the season, i'd probably rather have him getting significant minutes at the NBA level as well.
 
I would say Sensabaugh needs the GLeague more than Cody tbh. He's a guy who could benefit from being the main hub of an offense to learn his decision making/playmaking.

Cody's best attribute is his defense, which is only going to be strengthen by playing in the NBA
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I would say Sensabaugh needs the GLeague more than Cody tbh. He's a guy who could benefit from being the main hub of an offense to learn his decision making/playmaking.

Cody's best attribute is his defense, which is only going to be strengthen by playing in the NBA
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They're throwing him out there and saying, "Go guard Ja Morant. Go guard Devin Booker. Go guard Chris Paul." They're letting him see firsthand how far behind he is so it's obvious he needs to get to work.
 
Last night felt like the first time I could visibly see Cody frustrated, and it also feels like he is regressing a bit. I continue to like him getting defensive minutes against good players, but he also needs some positive offensive moments. It's a difficult balance.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
it's a fair question. the answer is confidence. if you can start and play well, gaining confidence in yourself, remember that you really are a good player, that when you shoot it's going in, that can potentially do wonders.

what we don't know is whether confidence is even the issue or part of it or if he'd even play well in the g league. what you don't want is him to go down to the g league and stink it up - if confidence is the problem, you could stick a fork in him at that point.

if confidence isn't an issue and it's just that he isn't ready or just playing bad/slumping to start the season, i'd probably rather have him getting significant minutes at the NBA level as well.
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Just imagine how much worse his confidence will be when his offense doesn’t cut it in the GLeague because all he can do right now is spot up shoot and straight line drive. He needs to be in the nba and get stronger and more explosive.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Just imagine how much worse his confidence will be when his offense doesn’t cut it in the GLeague because all he can do right now is spot up shoot and straight line drive. He needs to be in the nba and get stronger and more explosive.
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I don’t know what you’ve been watching but he can’t even spot up shoot right now and this is coming from one of the biggest Cody believers on here


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