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The Jazz ought to trade for Zion Williamson

JimLes

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Everything coming out of NOLA suggests that Zion doesn't wanna be there and the team don't want him anymore. He seems unlikely to be on the Pelicans come February, and almost certainly won't be there come October. The Jazz FO should make every effort to grab him from the Pelicans. This may be a once-in-a-decade opportunity for our franchise. Yes, there are risks, but the potential reward is huge. We have very little to lose here.

Normally, you'd be betting your house on a player like this ending up in NY or LA, but the apron stuff has really limited the amount of teams that can trade for a guy on a contract like Zion's. We've got the simple advantage here of actually being able to trade for him and being able to do it straight up, without involving a third team. Pelicans are also tanking hard and may well be getting rid of Ingram, as well. They are not looking to win for a good while, so they would be looking to get back picks, young talent on rookie contracts, or tank-beneficial vets. We've got all that to offer, especially picks.

Let's be honest here for a second. The Cavs will be good for years to come and I really don't see the Wolves falling off hard enough to get anywhere other than perhaps late lottery any time soon. We've got plenty of picks and swaps, but it's quite unlikely that those will yield any players better than the under-25s we currently have on the team. I have no problem trading 4-5 FRPs for a chance at a player who, if we can fix him, would be an instant MVP candidate. Remember that for all the soda and pornstars and injuries, this is a generational talent who has played like one in limited stretches when he was healthy and focused. Other teams that may be interested in trading for him either do not have the pick haul or are doing too well themselves for their own picks to be enticing. Detroit, for example, would be in the latter category. Their FRPs are not looking great the next half a decade.

Now, of course, this may well not pan out. Maybe Zion just doesn't care enough about basketball to be anything more than the greatest "What if" story since Len Bias. That's fine, there are multiple things mitigating that risk. First is that we have little to lose here. We're bad and we're perhaps trying to be worse. If Zion continues to be a moron, that's playing right into those plans. He's not going to cost us wins, he's not going to ruin the chemistry, he's not going to get a coach fired. He also cannot bolt if he does play well, as he's under contract until 2028. We've got at least a couple of years to figure things out and try to make it work.

Then there's the actual details of his contract. While he's under contract until 2028, the contract itself is not guaranteed. He can be cut from the team if he fails to play a certain number of games. In face, he's already missed enough games this season that the Pelicans could simply waive him right now if they wanted to, without taking a financial hit. This would obviously be the worst case scenario should he come to the Jazz. Last resort, if you will. More likely is that he sucks enough that we don't wanna keep him, but there's enough interest that we don't need to cut him. There are always organizations willing to take risks, and GMs looking for some long-shot move to save their own jobs. It's easy to forget because it seems like he's been in the league forever, but Zion is 24. If he has trade value now, he will still have trade value in year or two.

TL/DR: Swing for the fences. Trade for Zion. Very low risk even if the potential for success is low as well.
 
It's really a question of how much are you willing to give up for Zion. Your post referenced 4-5 FRP, and I'm not going there, but I also disagree with your next sentence that he has MVP candidate potential. I'm not sure why we would expect a much better season out of Zion than last year when he was fully heathy and was not even an all NBA player.
 
It's really a question of how much are you willing to give up for Zion. Your post referenced 4-5 FRP, and I'm not going there, but I also disagree with your next sentence that he has MVP candidate potential. I'm not sure why we would expect a much better season out of Zion than last year when he was fully heathy and was not even an all NBA player.

He was 11th in the league in BPM in 2021, before the wheels fell off the whole thing. Seeing as none of his injuries have been career-jeopardizing, I would take that season as the benchmark for how good he could be if things work out, rather than the last one.
 
He was 11th in the league in BPM in 2021, before the wheels fell off the whole thing. Seeing as none of his injuries have been career-jeopardizing, I would take that season as the benchmark for how good he could be if things work out, rather than the last one.

Why? Why would 4 years ago be a better predictor than last year?

(FWIW my tone is curious not confrontational on this)
 
Why? Why would 4 years ago be a better predictor than last year?

This is like asking me to do three long jumps and then saying the very last one is the best predictor of what my 4th one will look like.

My whole idea of trading for Zion is predicated on us being able to restore him to his best. His best was 3.5 years ago and not a year ago. It's all hypothetical, anyway. Not sure why you're arguing semantics.
 
If it weren't for two things, I'd say sure why not, 1) his contract 2) he's a DNP Champion potential hall of famer

watch Zion sit on the bench for 40m? Hard Pass in that context
 
It depends on price just like any trade. But its kind of a no lose situation if the price is right. If he's hurt the next year and a half then we tanking anyway. If he is performing like a star then we got a star. I would hopefully not want it to screw up the tank this year... but the structure of his deal is such that if he pouts and is hurt you can just waive him.
 
There are few players that have earned so much contempt and I don’t think that’s anything to build on. If he hasn’t figured out how to get/stay on the court during his athletic prime and after six years, I think the chances are basically zero he will start to now that his body’s ability to recover has already peaked and crested.
 
Also, how in god’s name is he such a mediocre rebounder? Besides that it’s the smoking gun that his effort is garbage.
 
Just an FYI some national guys were like "would you even give up one pick for him????" and while its never the perfect indicator I do think his value would be pretty low right now. If you offered the Cavs pick, Collins, and one more future pick I think they might bite. It gets them out of the tax. Its not nothing on our end but maybe we could slap some protections on the pick to make it low downside.
 
Again, his contract is not guaranteed. Not this year, not any years left on it.
But if you trade for him and decide to waive him because he didn't meet his played games quota you've just made the worst trade in NBA history (okay, okay, probably not, but it would be a contender).
 
I'd pass if I were a GM - not trashing the idea though, I like taking risk but he doesn't seem to have passion for the game after he got paid
 
But if you trade for him and decide to waive him because he didn't meet his played games quota you've just made the worst trade in NBA history (okay, okay, probably not, but it would be a contender).
(Given that you gave up substantial value, of course. If we're talking Collins + Cavs this year + one future pick with some protections like HH suggested, that's a different story, but I don't see that happening.)
 
But if you trade for him and decide to waive him because he didn't meet his played games quota you've just made the worst trade in NBA history (okay, okay, probably not, but it would be a contender).
Him not playing games feeds the tank. If we were trying to make the playoffs or something I'd agree. Its a trade where if the acquisition price is right the floor is not that bad and the ceiling outcomes are pretty great.

I doubt he ever gets his head completely right tho and I would understand teams just avoiding the whole issue.
 
Him not playing games feeds the tank. If we were trying to make the playoffs or something I'd agree. Its a trade where if the acquisition price is right the floor is not that bad and the ceiling outcomes are pretty great.

I doubt he ever gets his head completely right tho and I would understand teams just avoiding the whole issue.
Not playing this year isn't a problem, but if we trade real value for Zion, I'm guessing the idea is to become good relatively quickly. If we want him to sit on the bench and take up cap space for 4 years I can think of better plans.
I'm pretty out on a Zion deal regardless, though. Of course I'd take the gamble if he's really cheap, but I don't think he will be, so...
 
This is like asking me to do three long jumps and then saying the very last one is the best predictor of what my 4th one will look like.

My whole idea of trading for Zion is predicated on us being able to restore him to his best. His best was 3.5 years ago and not a year ago. It's all hypothetical, anyway. Not sure why you're arguing semantics.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but conversational. I think it's relevant to the conversation what Zion's best case scenario looks like and the difference between MVP candidate and borderline allstar is more than just semantics.

I think your reasoning for thinking he can be an MVP candidate is fine. I don't think I can get there which is why I would not give up nearly as much as what you suggested.
 
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