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The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

Step-Back Lauri said:
There's three options:
1. They've invested so much time to take that side that even if they see issues, bad issues even, they can't or won't take a step back, because it'd mean to lose their investment.
2. They're trolling and are super bored. You have to be super bored to do that.
3. Idk, maybe they're just not very bright minded.

I mean most of this **** wouldn't be acceptable from anyone. Heck, I've been stopping to vote my Finnish left wing candidates for so, so much less that I see in both republican or democratic politicians doing on the States, and either picked up another from same party or another.

This situation also portrays the terrible risks that such a strong two party culture poses: this is how bad it can get. It's about pick your poison and no other options. Well there are, but as everyone are afraid their votes would go "wasted", the independent or smaller parties in two party system won't ever get a breather.
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They are trolling.
 
It’s important to remember that we’re just 7ish months after several influential right wing podcasters and social media personalities were caught with their pants down accepting Russian money to trash Ukraine. So it’s not surprising that republicans who consume that media have had their views tainted by Kremlin propaganda. Propaganda works!

It also shouldn’t surprise you that the current loudmouths who clearly influence *** wipes like JD Vance are likely also on the take from Russia. When folks blame the Maidan Revolution or Zelenskyy for continued Russian aggression, they’re telling you that they’re accepting Russian propaganda as facts. The truth is, blaming Maidan on this invasion is like blaming Polish Jews for Hitler’s invasion of Poland. Ukrainians who don’t want to be ruled by Russian puppets are victims, not perpetrators of Russian evil. We should be supporting these guys, not blaming them for what’s clearly Putin’s megalomania.

Ukraine deserves autonomy. Russia is evil and an enemy to western democracies. Full stop. And if Russia wants to plunge the world into a world war, then what better reason for America to fight than against Russian aggression against our allies? Which, isn’t likely, as Ukraine is doing a fine job of wearing Russia down. They just need continued military support. But if Russia thinks they can invade Europe, then America and its allies absolutely should respond. And I’d be happy to enlist. Fighting for something sure beats trolling sports message boards and living in your parent’s basement!

Americans should be willing to fight for freedom and democracy. When did republicans become such *******? We used to know how to deal with *** hats like Hitler and Putin. Why suddenly are we afraid of them?
 
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The Thriller said:
It’s important to remember that we’re just 7ish months after several influential right wing podcasters and social media personalities were caught with their pants down accepting Russian money to trash Ukraine. So it’s not surprising that republicans who consume that media have had their views tainted by Kremlin propaganda. Propaganda works!

It also shouldn’t surprise you that the current loudmouths who clearly influence *** wipes like JD Vance are likely also on the take from Russia. When folks blame the Maidan Revolution or Zelenskyy for continued Russian aggression, they’re telling you that they’re accepting Russian propaganda as facts. The truth is, blaming Maidan on this invasion is like blaming Polish Jews for Hitler’s invasion of Poland.

Ukraine deserves autonomy. Russia is evil and an enemy to western democracies. Full stop. And if Russia wants to plunge the world into a world war, then what better reason for America to fight than against Russian aggression against our allies? Which, isn’t likely, as Ukraine is doing a fine job of wearing Russia down. They just need continued military support. But if Russia thinks they can invade Europe, then America and its allies absolutely should respond. And I’d be happy to enlist. Fighting for something sure beats trolling sports message boards and living in your parent’s basement!

Americans should be willing to fight for freedom and democracy. When did republicans become such *******? We used to know how to deal with *** hats like Hitler and Putin. Why suddenly are we afraid of them?
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Great post
 
So true. We don’t want to have the identity crisis Europe is having due to rampant immigration issues and authoritarian policies. Not to mention the weak leadership and nonexistent military. They are throwing citizens in prison for memes or reposts on twitter. It’s ridiculous!
It’d be nice if Europe paid for our securities so that we could have free health care. No wonder they are up in arms. ”Screw America if they aren’t giving us a free ride anymore!!”
Has Europe done anything for the US ever? They taxed and took advantage until we revolted the first time. What have they ever done for America? We saved their *** in ww2 and now they are pushing for ww3.


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Personally, I never doubted that Trump’s allegiance was like no president before him.

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At Least Now We Know the Truth

It’s ugly, but necessary to face.
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At least the Oval Office meeting held by President Donald Trump and Vice President J. D. Vance with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was held in front of the cameras. False friendliness in public by Trump and Vance, followed by behind-the-scenes treachery, would have been much more dangerous to the Ukrainian cause.

Instead, Trump and Vance have revealed to Americans and to America’s allies their alignment with Russia, and their animosity toward Ukraine in general and its president in particular. The truth is ugly, but it’s necessary to face it.

Today’s meeting gave the lie to any claim that this administration’s policy is driven by any strategic effort to advance the interests of the United States, however misguided. Trump and Vance displayed in the Oval Office a highly personal hatred. There was no effort here to make a case for American interests. Vance complained that Zelensky had traveled to Pennsylvania to thank U.S. ammunition workers, because, Vance charged, the appearance amounted to campaigning for the Democratic presidential ticket. “Let me tell you, Putin went through a hell of a lot with me,” Trump angrily explained. “He went through a phony witch hunt where they used him and Russia, Russia, Russia.”

Both the president and vice president showed the U.S.-led alliance system something it needed urgently to know: The national-security system of the West is led by two men who cannot be trusted to defend America’s allies—and who deeply sympathize with the world’s most aggressive dictator…..
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……We’re witnessing the self-sabotage of the United States. “America First” always meant America alone, a predatory America whose role in the world is no longer based on democratic belief. America voted at the United Nations earlier this week against Ukraine, siding with Russia and China against almost all of its fellow democracies. Is this who Americans want to be? For this is what America is being turned into.
 

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My take on the Zelensky/Trump/Vance spat:

1. Europe was REALLY upset with JD Vance speech in Munich. Do not underestimate that

2. Zelensky and Europe does NOT want peace with Putin, they want Putin gone

3. Europe says it is preparing to go it alone without the United States, but realistically they can't do it.

4. Trump has now seen that Zelensky doesn't want peace, Zelensky wants to pull the US into the war directly

5. Trump will not work with Zelensky now. Zelensky is not a partner for peace

6. Ukraine Parliament needs to depose Zelensky and get a different President as a partner for peace. The only way Trump will work with Zelensky is if he completely 100% changes and it sounds sincere, but I don't think he can.

7. Europe is run by globalists that hate Trump and will do what it can to hurt Trump. Europe also hates it's own citizens. Please note how they continue to import mass migration of fake asylum seekers against the wishes of their citizens.
 
The relationship between NATO and USSR then Russia is complicated. The USSR requested NATO membership in the 50s as they were worried about Germany.

Everyone remembers Reagan saying to "tear down that wall" regarding the unification of East and West Germany, but do you remember Reagan also gave assurances to USSR that NATO would not expand as part of that agreement?

The USSR collapsed less than two years later, with Russia and a bunch of new countries remaining. Clinton broke the expansion promise, and NATO had massive expansion. And Russia did nothing in response.

There have been assurances that Ukraine, who sits strategicly on Russia's border, would not be allowed NATO membership, but the U.S. helped a regime change that was neutral on NATO/Russia (keep in mind Ukraine is made up of a lot of Russians and they did not want a war) to a pro-NATO stance.

These actions are at least partially responsible for Russia deciding to invade in 2014. You may recall Putin asked publically before the current war, for assurances Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO, and he was not given them.

I am not a Putin fan, but I can understand why he would not want more NATO missiles on his border, just like we didnt want them in Cuba.

All of that said, I'd wish we'd stay out of these events, but we helped bake this cake.

I also find it funny that Europe is showing support by giving Zelensly a 1.9B loan yet criticizing the US for asking for reimbursement for what we have contributed.

Trump does some things well, some times we need an antagonizer on the foreign stage, and sometimes we need friendly diplomacy to get what is needed. Trump is great at the former but is abysmal at the latter.

Part of me wants to avoid a world war at all costs, including letting Ukraine handle it, but knowing we helped contribute to what is going on, I can't agree with Trump's current stance.
 
TheGoldStandard said:
The relationship between NATO and USSR then Russia is complicated. The USSR requested NATO membership in the 50s as they were worried about Germany.

Everyone remembers Reagan saying to "tear down that wall" regarding the unification of East and West Germany, but do you remember Reagan also gave assurances to USSR that NATO would not expand as part of that agreement?

The USSR collapsed less than two years later, with Russia and a bunch of new countries remaining. Clinton broke the expansion promise, and NATO had massive expansion. And Russia did nothing in response.

There have been assurances that Ukraine, who sits strategicly on Russia's border, would not be allowed NATO membership, but the U.S. helped a regime change that was neutral on NATO/Russia (keep in mind Ukraine is made up of a lot of Russians and they did not want a war) to a pro-NATO stance.

These actions are at least partially responsible for Russia deciding to invade in 2014. You may recall Putin asked publically before the current war, for assurances Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO, and he was not given them.

I am not a Putin fan, but I can understand why he would not want more NATO missiles on his border, just like we didnt want them in Cuba.

All of that said, I'd wish we'd stay out of these events, but we helped bake this cake.

I also find it funny that Europe is showing support by giving Zelensly a 1.9B loan yet criticizing the US for asking for reimbursement for what we have contributed.

Trump does some things well, some times we need an antagonizer on the foreign stage, and sometimes we need friendly diplomacy to get what is needed. Trump is great at the former but is abysmal at the latter.

Part of me wants to avoid a world war at all costs, including letting Ukraine handle it, but knowing we helped contribute to what is going on, I can't agree with Trump's current stance.
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Even though that is all true the democrats will cry that you are spreading Russian propaganda.

"Russia is the aggressor" I mean just look at this map.
"It was unprovoked"

View: https://x.com/SprinterObserve/status/1802808251597140214

You haven't been taking your "nothing to do with NATO" propaganda vitamins. It's okay though here's a compilation.


View: https://x.com/0rf/status/1890407301808328972
 
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TheGoldStandard said:
The relationship between NATO and USSR then Russia is complicated. The USSR requested NATO membership in the 50s as they were worried about Germany.

Everyone remembers Reagan saying to "tear down that wall" regarding the unification of East and West Germany, but do you remember Reagan also gave assurances to USSR that NATO would not expand as part of that agreement?

The USSR collapsed less than two years later, with Russia and a bunch of new countries remaining. Clinton broke the expansion promise, and NATO had massive expansion. And Russia did nothing in response.

There have been assurances that Ukraine, who sits strategicly on Russia's border, would not be allowed NATO membership, but the U.S. helped a regime change that was neutral on NATO/Russia (keep in mind Ukraine is made up of a lot of Russians and they did not want a war) to a pro-NATO stance.

These actions are at least partially responsible for Russia deciding to invade in 2014. You may recall Putin asked publically before the current war, for assurances Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO, and he was not given them.

I am not a Putin fan, but I can understand why he would not want more NATO missiles on his border, just like we didnt want them in Cuba.

All of that said, I'd wish we'd stay out of these events, but we helped bake this cake.

I also find it funny that Europe is showing support by giving Zelensly a 1.9B loan yet criticizing the US for asking for reimbursement for what we have contributed.

Trump does some things well, some times we need an antagonizer on the foreign stage, and sometimes we need friendly diplomacy to get what is needed. Trump is great at the former but is abysmal at the latter.

Part of me wants to avoid a world war at all costs, including letting Ukraine handle it, but knowing we helped contribute to what is going on, I can't agree with Trump's current stance.
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Ukraine is the one to handle it. They’ve been handling it for years. How many American soldiers have been deployed to Ukraine since Putin invaded?

Maybe Putin should stop invading his neighbors? NATO wouldn’t be expanding if Putin would just stop invading other countries. Again, it all starts with Putin who sees himself as a tsar whose destiny is to recreate the Russian empire through trampling on the lives of others. Why do we continue to appease this guy?

I hope Putin doesn’t plunge the world into world war. Better arm the Ukrainians and defeat Putin there before he invades another country like Poland.
 
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Mongoose said:
Even though that is all true the democrats will cry that you are spreading Russian propaganda.

"Russia is the aggressor" I mean just look at this map.
"It was unprovoked"

View: https://x.com/SprinterObserve/status/1802808251597140214

You haven't been taking your "nothing to do with NATO" propaganda vitamins. It's okay though here's a compilation.


View: https://x.com/0rf/status/1890407301808328972
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I mean, Russia is the aggressor. Ukraine likely would not have joined NATO. I'm not justifying Putin's actions. I'm saying it helps him justify the invasion in his mind.

The U.S. thought invading Vietnam was the right thing to do.

My main point is our country's actions for years contributed to what is going on. So how can we justify not helping.

I don't think we should leave NATO, but we should tell them they need to either step up military spending to their pro rata GDP%, pay us for the coverage, or be removed as members. They'll still be receiving a bargain having the US to protect them.
 
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It Was an Ambush

Friday marked one of the grimmest days in the history of American diplomacy.
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Leave aside, if only for a moment, the utter boorishness with which President Donald Trump and Vice President J. D. Vance treated Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky at the White House today. Also leave aside the spectacle of American leaders publicly pummeling a friend as if he were an enemy. All of the ghastliness inflicted on Zelensky today should not obscure the geopolitical reality of what just happened: The president of the United States ambushed a loyal ally, presumably so that he can soon make a deal with the dictator of Russia to sell out a European nation fighting for its very existence.

Zelensky objected, as he should have, when the vice president castigated the Ukrainian president for not showing enough personal gratitude to Trump. And then in a moment of immense hypocrisy, Vance told Zelensky that it was “disrespectful for you to come into the Oval Office and try to litigate this in front of the American media.” But baiting Zelensky into fighting in front of the media was likely the plan all along, and Trump and Vance were soon both yelling at Zelensky. (“This is going to be great television,” Trump said during the meeting.) The president at times sounded like a Mafia boss—“You don’t have the cards”; “you’re buried there”—but in the end, he sounded like no one so much as Putin himself as he hollered about “gambling with World War III,” as if starting the biggest war in Europe in nearly a century was Zelensky’s idea.

After the meeting, Trump dismissed the Ukrainian leader and then issued a statement that could only have pleased Moscow:

I have determined that President Zelensky is not ready for Peace if America is involved, because he feels our involvement gives him a big advantage in negotiations. I don’t want advantage, I want PEACE. He disrespected the United States of America in its cherished Oval Office. He can come back when he is ready for Peace.
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Trump might as well have dictated this post on Truth Social before the meeting, because Zelensky didn’t stand a chance of having an actual discussion at the White House. When he showed Trump pictures of brutalized Ukrainian soldiers, Trump shrugged. “That’s tough stuff,” he muttered. Perhaps someone told Zelensky that Trump doesn’t read much, and reacts to images, but Trump, uncharacteristically, seems to have been determined to stay on message and pick a fight.
 
TheGoldStandard said:
I mean, Russia is the aggressor. Ukraine likely would not have joined NATO. I'm not justifying Putin's actions. I'm saying it helps him justify the invasion in his mind.

The U.S. thought invading Vietnam was the right thing to do.

My main point is our country's actions for years contributed to what is going on. So how can we justify not helping.

I don't think we should leave NATO, but we should tell them they need to either step up military spending to their pro rata GDP%, pay us for the coverage, or be removed as members. They'll still be receiving a bargain having the US to protect them.
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If only the US could help broker a peace deal.... oh wait.
 
TheGoldStandard said:
The relationship between NATO and USSR then Russia is complicated. The USSR requested NATO membership in the 50s as they were worried about Germany.

Everyone remembers Reagan saying to "tear down that wall" regarding the unification of East and West Germany, but do you remember Reagan also gave assurances to USSR that NATO would not expand as part of that agreement?

The USSR collapsed less than two years later, with Russia and a bunch of new countries remaining. Clinton broke the expansion promise, and NATO had massive expansion. And Russia did nothing in response.

There have been assurances that Ukraine, who sits strategicly on Russia's border, would not be allowed NATO membership, but the U.S. helped a regime change that was neutral on NATO/Russia (keep in mind Ukraine is made up of a lot of Russians and they did not want a war) to a pro-NATO stance.

These actions are at least partially responsible for Russia deciding to invade in 2014. You may recall Putin asked publically before the current war, for assurances Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO, and he was not given them.

I am not a Putin fan, but I can understand why he would not want more NATO missiles on his border, just like we didnt want them in Cuba.

All of that said, I'd wish we'd stay out of these events, but we helped bake this cake.

I also find it funny that Europe is showing support by giving Zelensly a 1.9B loan yet criticizing the US for asking for reimbursement for what we have contributed.

Trump does some things well, some times we need an antagonizer on the foreign stage, and sometimes we need friendly diplomacy to get what is needed. Trump is great at the former but is abysmal at the latter.

Part of me wants to avoid a world war at all costs, including letting Ukraine handle it, but knowing we helped contribute to what is going on, I can't agree with Trump's current stance.
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I believe (and may be wrong) that there are already NATO missiles at Russians border.
I think there are more countries that border Russia than just Ukraine and that they are NATO countries.
From what I can gather Poland and Lithuania (both via Kaliningrad Oblast), Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, China, Mongolia, and North Korea all border Russia. I think (again I'm not sure) that some of those countries are NATO countries.

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