Agreed, I really need to deep dive in to Kas's defense. Watching it live has left me with mixed feelings on it. He'll be a better defender than Tre Johnson, is the only thing I'm certain of.
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I agree on the risk. He wasn't consist enough to be sure he can do the high level things he flashed. He's not athletic enough to fall back on a role if he isn't a high level shooter/ play maker.
I disagree on the upside. I think he has a more likely high end (all star level) outcome than VJ or Ace for example.
Jazzinho
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Would be happy to see him on the Jazz. I wonder if draft and stash would be a possibility there.
Maybe, but I think the Jazz would bring him over and get him in Will's system sooner rather than later. I could see the Jazz stash a guy in the 2nd round though.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I love him
Nobody really talks about Collin Murray-Boyles on here but he’s a draft twitter darling. I’m not sure why but multiple people have him like 2nd overall on their big boards.
He looks like he could be a prototypical two-way wing. It's just the shooting that's a question. I like him too, but he'll almost certainly go in the 7-12 range, so he's not really a fit for where we're drafting. People putting him in the top 4 are going overboard though.
I've talked about him. I think he's underrated here, especially in relation to Queen. Offensive issues are obvious, but he might be the second best defender in this draft.
Does that really matter if he is undersized for a big and can’t shoot?
I like him, but he's a worse talent than Flip in my eyes. Not that you can't have both, but I struggle to see both getting PT given their shared weakness of not being able to defend.
I'd rather just go with a defensive talent like Beringer/Fleming.
I talked about him a lot during the year because he was maybe my favorite college basketball player. Even I have a hard time seeing how he is going to work in the NBA. I'm hoping he's just so good at basketball that he makes it work, but he'll need to go to the right situation to thrive.
As much as I love CMB, I really don't know how anyone can believe in his shot developing. Unless they are watching private workouts he really didn't show anything in games that would suggest he is going to be able to shoot it. Offensively he is going to have to play like Draymond, which is asking a lot, but he might just be up for it. Defensively I don't think he can hold up as a traditional center guarding NBA 5's all game, but I do think he is a very versatile defender and so he will definitely be able to find a role in any defensive scheme.
Wolf is a much better help defender than Flip, but Wolf has a long way to go to be able to shoot like Flip. I also think Wolf is a tier above Flip as a play maker. I would prefer Wolf if he could shoot, but since I don't have a lot of confidence in that happening I would probably stick with Flip.
I agree that I would prefer to focus on a defensive difference maker with the 21st pick.
I disagree on the defensive part. Also the playmaking due to the extreme turnover rate from Wolf
I just went back and looked at Flip's college stats and I didn't realize he was such a high stocks guy. You might be right.
I think he showed a lot better defensively in the tournament. I loved TJD a few years back and Wolf is my TJD this year.
If he finds the right fit he could be a really valuable rotation piece.
1000% in.
(I think him as the 5 and Flagg —if we’re so lucky— and Hendricks as the forwards is what bricks me up)
Yes, defense always matters. He’s not undersized at all for the 4 where I think he can be a great defender. Obviously he will have to make the offense work somehow, but if he can improve his shooting and/or play next to a stretch 5 I think he’ll be great. In relation to Queen, he is like 10x the defender at either position.
BTW, I'm not talking about CMB in top 2 or whatever, those people are lost in the Sauce. But as a late lotto or even top 10 pick, I definitely think that's valid.
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He’s also big enough to play the 2.
Pretty sure conversation on Kas is mostly about trading in/up to get him.