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Jackpotting Around- Accountability and The Sacred Timeline

Elizah Huge said:
Well his shot pushed us into the #1 lottery odds spot. If we win the lottery from that spot it means it was thanks to him.
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So if Wiz win the #1 pick, it was thanks to him -- and it will be the shot that we rue the rest of our living days? (Maybe along with the Hardy timeout to that led to waving off Sexton's shot against the Jazz, and a couple other shots throughout the season that could have given us the #2 spot if they turned out differently)
 
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Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Explain to me why we’d get 5 if they get 6?
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If the Wizards get top 4 then they were won it in the lottery

If they get #5, then they didn't win the lottery but the Jazz did so they have the worst record when we switch to order at #5

If they get #6, then neither of us won top 4, but we still have a worse record so we get 5 and they get 6
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I liked Carrington ok out of the draft, but I think I prefer Collier to him as a PG prospect. It's very close though.
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Collier has been nice, not trying to shoot strays. But an extremely young ~6’ 5” PG mid-range master with solid indicators that he will extend his range and excelled in a major conference is a really nice piece to have. Seems like we’ve been having a continuous conversation about adding a big ballhandling guard to allow smaller scoring guards to stay on the floor for forever now. I am a little frustrated we keep leaving players on the shelf that could help answer that, seemingly, perpetual issue.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Collier has been nice, not trying to shoot strays. But an extremely young ~6’ 5” PG mid-range master with solid indicators that he will extend his range and excelled in a major conference is a really nice piece to have. Seems like we’ve been having a continuous conversation about adding a big ballhandling guard to allow smaller scoring guards to stay on the floor for forever now. I am a little frustrated we keep leaving players on the shelf that could help answer that, seemingly, perpetual issue.
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@SoberasHotRod i seem to recall ranting about this in another thread to you and/or @fishonjazz . So yeah, he was a prime candidate and the candidate field seemed open to me. Cody did not read to me as a worthy prospect at all and I got the receipts (hopefully he turns it around, I’m not routing against him or anything but ****ing WOOF).
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
50/39 shooting splits with 17 PPG....
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That’s well and good. I think he’s low key a cancer (does not give a single **** about winning while being insufferably self-righteous in his rhetoric — people like that have a tendency of rubbing people that figure them out the wrong way on a constant simmer but without great opportunities to address the problem because they’ll never cop and they’ll never be an outright jerk either).
 
NUMBERICA said:
That’s well and good. I think he’s low key a cancer (does not give a single **** about winning while being insufferably self-righteous in his rhetoric — people like that have a tendency of rubbing people that figure them out the wrong way on a constant simmer but without great opportunities to address the problem because they’ll never cop and they’ll never be an outright jerk either).
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Im not fully aware of what youre talking about? How was he cancerous?
 
NUMBERICA said:
@SoberasHotRod i seem to recall ranting about this in another thread to you and/or @fishonjazz . So yeah, he was a prime candidate and the candidate field seemed open to me. Cody did not read to me as a worthy prospect at all and I got the receipts (hopefully he turns it around, I’m not routing against him or anything but ****ing WOOF).
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You were 100% right about Bub over Cody.

Bub still has a lot to work on though, it's not 100% clear that he will ever be an NBA starting level player.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Im not fully aware of what youre talking about? How was he cancerous?
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Well his teams are always trash for one. His whole locker room thing is being a borderline preacher and I’ve heard rumblings that teammates do not dig it. Combine that with the laid back attitude about winning and his track record thereof, being paid an insane amount of money, not exercising his trade clause in basically any scenario, and missing a ton of games. There’s a lot of stink on him, his rep is bad. I know someone like that would drive me up the wall.

I agree he’s definitely not a minimum player. He’s just kind of a turd. Would be a nice get for a team that just needs some buckets at the right price.
 
Jaanipoeg said:
If the Wizards get top 4 then they were won it in the lottery

If they get #5, then they didn't win the lottery but the Jazz did so they have the worst record when we switch to order at #5

If they get #6, then neither of us won top 4, but we still have a worse record so we get 5 and they get 6
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I don’t get it.
 
Jaanipoeg said:
If the Wizards get top 4 then they were won it in the lottery

If they get #5, then they didn't win the lottery but the Jazz did so they have the worst record when we switch to order at #5

If they get #6, then neither of us won top 4, but we still have a worse record so we get 5 and they get 6
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I mean what does them getting #6 have to do with us not getting the top pick. That’s makes no sense to me.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
I mean what does them getting #6 have to do with us not getting the top pick. That’s makes no sense to me.
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The only way for them to end up at 6 is because 4 team behind them won the lottery. That would mean we didn't win the lottery either.

If we win the lottery there are only 3 possible teams that could also win the lottery, meaning they would be at worst 5th.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
I just googled how it works and even that went over my head.
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fishonjazz said:
Hey, im with ya on this. I'm having a hard time understanding
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I'll give it a try:

The lottery only directly determines picks 1-4. After that (picks 5-30), the order is determined by the worst records remaining.

If we don't get top 4, then we will get pick 5 (as the worst remaining record). If we get top 4, then the Wizards (as the worst record remaining, and if they don't also get top 4) get pick 5.

So that means Wizards get pick 6 only if there's a team remaining after the 1-4 picks are determined with a worse record than they have. That team with a worse record will get pick 5. We're the only team with a worse record than the Wizards, so the only way they get pick 6 is if we get pick 5.
 
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About half way through now and as a discussion point I don't agree on Flip as the guy we keep if we can only keep one young guy.

I assume that Kessler is not part of this discussion?

As good as Flip has been I just don't know if he'll ever be a starting level guy on a good team because of his defense. I hear the argument that you don't have to play him at the 5, but I don't know if you can start him defensively at the 4 either. I'll also point out that almost all of his really good games came against really bad teams. It mostly wasn't his fault because for the majority of the year he didn't play much against the good teams, but it makes me more hesitant on his upside. I think at this point in the rebuild I would save the guy I most thought could be a starter on a good team. You can always find the 3rd/4th big later.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
I just googled how it works and even that went over my head.
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Simple explanation:

They are currently #2. For them to fall to #6, 4 teams must pass them.

But that means those 4 teams will also pass us, since the only way they pass Wizards is by getting a winning lottery ticket.

If Jazz win in the lottery, then 4 teams cannot pass the Wizards anymore, as Jazz winning means only 3 others can win.
 
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