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Did he get what he deserved?

Archie Moses

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SPRINGVILLE — A homeowner fatally shot a would-be robber who entered his house in Springville early Thursday morning. The intruder apparently stopped for a snack and changed clothes before going upstairs to threaten the home's residents.

Police now say the man may have been responsible for another crime last week.

Springville police responded to a call of a home invasion robbery at 2:48 a.m. in the area of 800 South and 475 East. When officers arrived they found the suspect had been fatally shot in the bedroom.

Lt. Dave Caron with the Springville Police Department said the intruder entered the home through a back door that the homeowners thought they had locked. The robber then took off his clothes that had become wet while traipsing through the snow and change into some of the resident's clothes, which were folded on the couch in the living room. Caron said the intruder then went to the kitchen, made a tortilla and ham wrap, ate some of it, and returned the uneaten portion to the refrigerator before going upstairs.

The man then entered the bedroom, told a man and his wife that he had a gun, and demanded they get their wallet and keys to drive him to an ATM. The homeowner instead retrieved his own gun from a closet and fatally shot the intruder.

Investigators say it appears that prior to entering this home, the intruder had walked through the neighborhood, checking at least 20 homes for unlocked doors.

Caron said the suspect matches the general description of a man wanted in connection with a similar incident last week.

"In that case he went into the home, stole a gun and apparently a cell phone," Caron said. "He told these homeowners tonight that he had stolen a gun before, so we're pretty sure it's the same guy. We haven't made positive i.d. yet."

Investigators are calling Thursday morning's shooting a case of self-defense. They also say three young children were in the home at the time of the incident.

I remember a thread a while back about something like this. I was surprised by the responses of the hippie clan.
 
The robber absolutly got what he deserved. I would do the same thing to anyone entering my home under similar circumstances. Especially since the homeowner had children.
 
Yes, he deserved it. The homeowner doesn't deserve the trauma he will suffer having killed another man. To save himself that he might have tried to find a solution that didn't involve killing the guy, but I wouldn't second-guess the guy. He probably wanted to do what he thought had the best chance to save the life of himself and his family. He had three young kids in the house. I'd probably shoot the guy too and deal with the emotional fallout later.
 
I would have tied him up and made him watch the Jazz play on the road.... That suffering is worse than being shot and killed....
 
I wonder if he should have used a taser instead?

As to "what trauma", don't be a moron.
It's pretty well documented that normal people are not okay with killing someone, even on accident.
I've heard about it more in connection with car accidents where someone dies of a result of it, but there are many similarities in cases like this.
 
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The funny thing is you outright justify that officer going near the extreme edge of the force continuum, then turn around and claim people can't shrug off a defensive killing. You're entering the world of psychology with an argument that is against itself.

I've prepared myself in advance and have already justified defending myself from any intruder into my castle. I would lose a second of sleep after the adrenaline and excitement wore off.
 
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Sheesh, can't people get a joke?


I am always in supports of a homeowner defending their property and lives.
This guy defended his family. Sounds honorable to me. You never know what a maniac with a gun will do. Why wait to find out?
You engage in armed robbery, you take a chance of getting shot.

Reminds me of when some dork broke into Brandon Lee's house and threatened him. Oops. Brandon beat the living crap out of him and said that when a person breaks into a home and makes threats, they give up their rights.
 
I would have at least some difficulty dealing with killing someone in my house, in front of my family.
 
I would have done the exact same thing. On top of it, this guys sounded like he was a little crazy on top of being a thief.

Hopefully no neighbors from across the block were hit with errant shots.
 
Poor robber.

According to penal code 12364S, sub section 3b, paragraph 1c, the Robber has rights. This guy should face the harshest penalty in the land. He could've just reached out and tackled the guy. Or just asked him to leave. I mean, the robber CLEARLY wasn't there to harm anyone, he was eating a sandwich for hell sakes!
 
Lt. Dave Caron with the Springville Police Department said the intruder entered the home through a back door that the homeowners thought they had locked. The robber then took off his clothes that had become wet while traipsing through the snow and change into some of the resident's clothes, which were folded on the couch in the living room. Caron said the intruder then went to the kitchen, made a tortilla and ham wrap, ate some of it, and returned the uneaten portion to the refrigerator before going upstairs.

Audacious
 
Yeh I heard about this on the news this morning, If some dude breaks into your house it's fair game, you have no idea what the guy is going to do to you.

I mean, the robber CLEARLY wasn't there to harm anyone, he was eating a sandwich for hell sakes!

LOL. Hope the sandwich was worth it.
 
As to "what trauma", don't be a moron.
It's pretty well documented that normal people are not okay with killing someone, even on accident.

I realize you're not a fan of heavy reading, but I found this for you:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...xqi1Bg&usg=AFQjCNFp-meGSNrpGi_bnwhjx7p5O-bgGg

Officers experienced a sense of elation at some point following 33 of the shootings. The
directed interviews identified three types of elation among the officers who reported experiencing it. The first sort that officers spoke of was a sense of joy about having survived a life-threatening situation. The officers who experienced this form of elation reported a profound satisfaction about being alive following an event that could have left them dead. The second type of elation reported is a form of exhilaration (most often in the first 24 hours) that appears to be a type of residual emotion from the sheer excitement of the situation where they fired. As one officer put it, he was “hyped-up” for a while after his shooting. The third type of elation officers described – which takes two distinct forms – is deep satisfaction about doing their job properly.

The first form of deep satisfaction was felt by officers who reported that they had wondered how they would perform if they were ever involved in what they described as the utmost challenge in a law enforcement career: an encounter where deadly force is necessary. These officers reported feeling elated that they had passed this ultimate test.

You ought to read what actually "traumatizes" many officers, which often center on secondary issues such as civil lawsuits and media outrage, moron.
 
So what about soldiers that experience trauma even when killing the enemy? I recently saw a WW2 documentary where an old man was balling talking about an experience where he had killed a German soldier in close combat.


It's common that humans suffer mentally even after situations of kill or be killed.
 
Oh for ****'s sake. Everyone is different. There are serial killers who get off torturing people to death. On the other hand, I have a friend who ran over a cat a few years ago, and it stuck with him.
 
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