Black Kid Shot in Gated Neighboorhood

[Deleted member 848]

How about the fact that the guy on neighborhood watch simply didn't recognize this kid where everybody is probably known whether they are white, black or green? You see a stranger in an exclusive, gated community and it raises suspicion. That's what a neighborhood watch is for.

I just have this suspicion that if this kid walking home with a bag of skittles was caucasian, then he would have never been followed in the first place. To me, that is what irritates me about this issue.

Als, let us consider this, an excerpt that I am taking from a website that speaks about a county's neighbourhood watch (https://www.adasheriff.org/CommunityPrograms/NeighborhoodWatch.aspx):

An alert and cooperative neighborhood is the best defense against crime.
Neighborhood Watch is a group of neighbors working together to reduce and prevent crime.
Neighborhood Watch is not a group of vigilantes taking the law into their own hands, nor do Neighborhood Watch groups take the place of the Sheriff's Office in enforcing the law or arresting criminals.
Why does Neighborhood Watch work?
Nationally, there is about one officer for every 2,000 citizens. Neighborhood Watch increases police effectiveness by having neighbors report suspicious or criminal activity to the Sheriff's Office. Officers don't recognize abnormal activity in a neighborhood nearly as well as neighbors do.
Members of Neighborhood Watch get to know their neighbors, learn how to make their homes and property more secure, watch out for each other and their neighborhood, and report activities that raise their suspicions.
Neighborhood Watch leaders are in close contact with Sheriff's deputies who alert them when there is a rise in crime in their area.

So Scat, my question to you is: Why didn't the leader of the Neighborhood Watch simply report this "suspicious black individual" to the police? Isn't that exactly what he is supposed to do? If he is the leader of the neighbourhood watch, he himself should absolutely realize that he should absolutely not try to apprehend this individual, seeing as he technically doesn't, and shouldn't have the legal rights to do so.

 

[Scat]

So Scat, my question to you is: Why didn't the leader of the Neighborhood Watch simply report this "suspicious individual" to the police? Isn't that exactly what he is supposed to do? If he is the leader of the neighbourhood watch, he himself should absolutely realize that he should absolutely not try to apprehend this individual, seeing as he technically doesn't, and shouldn't have the legal rights to do so.

Fixed for you.

As to the rest of your question, I don't know. Neither does anyone else here.

 

[Revolution 9]

Why are we only wishing for "jail time"? This is 1st degree murder. He shouldn't leave his new gated community ever.

 

[franklin]

More details for the racists to mock:

1. Police told Zimmerman not to confront the child. Zimmerman ignored the orders.
2. Zimmerman has a degree in Criminal Justice, meaning he fully understands his duty to retreate prior to escalation.
3. Zimmerman was arrested in 2005 for assaulting a police officer.

This guy is a loose cannon and a racist. He confronted a kid on public property for being on public property and then shot him.

How about the fact that the guy on neighborhood watch simply didn't recognize this kid where everybody is probably known whether they are white, black or green? You see a stranger in an exclusive, gated community and it raises suspicion. That's what a neighborhood watch is for.

Gated communities have communally shared (public) land. There is no foundation to confront someone simply because you don't know them, aside from racism of course.

For being a dumbass. That is all, dumbass.

Why so touchy Fat T? You too like to stalk black boys and get mad when others don't like it?

 

[NUMBERICA]

Why was he suspended from school for a week?

Garbage like this reminds me exactly why I told myself to never come into this forum.

 

[Scat]

Garbage like this reminds me exactly why I told myself to never come into this forum.

Yet here you are.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Fixed for you.

As to the rest of your question, I don't know. Neither does anyone else here.

Color yourself color blind all you want but you're being completely disingenuous if you don't think skin color is thee reason this douchebag acted. If it was a white teen, the guy would've likely thought, Oh, it must be someone's son, or cousin, or friend visiting. But it wasn't. He was a black kid. So eyebrows were raised immediately.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

"When I asked the police why there’s been no arrest, they told me they respected the guy’s background, that he had a four-year degree; that he was clean," Tracy Martin said. “But did they check my unarmed son’s record? No.”

Martin, who lived with his mother in South Florida, was a junior at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School in North Miami-Dade, just south of the Broward County line. He was out of school because he had gotten suspended for a week. Tracy Martin would not give details about the suspension, but said he took his son to the Central Florida town, best known as the auto train stop closest to Orlando, “to disconnect and get his priorities straight.”

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/08/2684419/shooting-mystery-miami-dade-teen.html#storylink=cpy

I don't really get the logic of the guy being angry that they didn't check his son's background, despite that the background wouldn't help the perception of the kid.

Makes sense. Anyone with a four year degree is headed straight to the Man upstairs.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

So you have a dead body, a smoking gun, and still no arrest?

Even if this was just a racially motived crime, remember this boys and girls...

So despite there being five times more whites in the USA, blacks still commit more crimes against whites than the reverse. The local news is just trying to make racial contraversy.

Some of you probably don't know this, but the media has no legal obligation to report the truth. However, when they interview a witness like this guy, it could be pretty damaging:

https://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/ne...led-in-neighborhood-altercation#ixzz1o8VK3pdJ

Read carefully, the guy on the top was beating up on on the guy on the bottom, then the guy on the top was lying dead on the grass. Sounds like self defense to me. I know, I know, liberals call it racism. The only way they'd be satisfied is if the black kid beat the white guy's ***.

Recently, I called someone the dumbest human being on the planet. I recant that statement and declare you sir thee dumbest human being on the planet. Congratulations.

 

[Nate505]

How about the fact that the guy on neighborhood watch simply didn't recognize this kid where everybody is probably known whether they are white, black or green? You see a stranger in an exclusive, gated community and it raises suspicion. That's what a neighborhood watch is for.

Yeah, even though the cops told him to let them deal with it. But no, Dudley Do Right couldn't be bothered with that, he had to not mind his own damn business and now someone is dead because of it.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

From the article:



I have to admit that this paints a vastly different story than what was originally posted.

Mallcop: (hangs up with police who have directed him to do nothing until cops arrive)
Mallcop: **** that, I'm gonna show those kids in my Law class that I'm smart. It just took me a while to go to school. I'll show them.
Mallcop: (continues stalking negro)
Negro: Yo man, why you followin' me?
Mallcop (exits vehicle): I ask the questions around here.
Negro: What?
Mallcop: You heard me. Where are you headed?
Negro: Man, **** you (turns back and continues walking to residence)
Mallcop: Get over here Tupac (puts hand on kid's shoulder to stop him)
Negro (turning back to face Grand Wizard): What?! **** you. (swings and connects, knocking the man to the ground; he jumps on hooded man)
Mallcop (showing massive caucasian fear of blacks): Help! Help!
Negro (swings a couple more times and then gets up to walk away)
Mallcop (gets up and shoots negro): Black son of a bitch.

Yeah, vastly different. Those damn blacks.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I can just as easily see the 25 year old pulling up to a stranger in a gated community asking him what he was doing there. The 17 year old (who may have looked considerably older) tells him to F-off. The 25 year old now has a high concern that the 17 year old should not be there and is up to no good and follows him. This agitates the 17 year old even more who gets confrontational and ends up on top of the 25 year old punching him in the face. The 25 year old reacts by defending himself and shoots the 17 year still thinking he's an unwanted stranger where he doesn't belong.

It cracks me up how everyone goes right to the thought that the shooter was a wild west cowboy or racist simply because he shot someone while defending himself. Nowhere has there been any mention of the 17 year old's actions other than he was just coming home from the store with a bag skittles minding his own business. I have a sneaky suspicion that the 17 year old contributed considerably to own demise through his own actions or attitude. The fact that there hasn't been an arrest tends to support me.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Again, the fact that there hasn't been an arrest or charges filed is crucial to what the cops know vs our conjecture here.

Of course. And OJ didn't do it.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It would have made more sense if the shooter did what he did past midnight. Then it would have been slightly suspicious to see a teenage walking around alone at night. It was 7:30 pm on a Sunday though. I see people walking around all time at my neighborhood that I do not know during that time.

 

[bigb]

I can just as easily see the 25 year old pulling up to a stranger in a gated community asking him what he was doing there. The 17 year old (who may have looked considerably older) tells him to F-off. The 25 year old now has a high concern that the 17 year old should not be there and is up to no good and follows him. This agitates the 17 year old even more who gets confrontational and ends up on top of the 25 year old punching him in the face. The 25 year old reacts by defending himself and shoots the 17 year still thinking he's an unwanted stranger where he doesn't belong.

And I can just as easily see this 25 year old guy who thinks he's God's gift to this earth stopping to confront the kid and pulling his gun out to really prove his point. At that point in time, the 17 year old could have defended himself by taking him to the ground and punching him a few times.

 

[PearlWatson]

Garbage like this reminds me exactly why I told myself to never come into this forum.

Chillax. GoJazz claimed he was a "good kid" without knowing anything about the situation so I challenged that.
Beyond that, his suspension may have relevance to the encounter. I'm interested after the father brought it up but refused to reveal the details.

 

[Stoked]

Chillax. GoJazz claimed he was a "good kid" without knowing anything about the situation so I challenged that.
Beyond that, his suspension may have relevance to the encounter. I'm interested after the father brought it up but refused to reveal the details.

********. I clearly said "sounds like ". So spin that **** somewhere else. Also the suspension has nothing to do with this encounter.

 

[PearlWatson]

********. I clearly said "sounds like ". So spin that **** somewhere else. Also the suspension has nothing to do with this encounter.

There is no spin about it. I acknowledged that you didn't know anything about the situation when you made that comment.

The suspension could have everything to do with the encounter.

 

[Stoked]

There is no spin about it. I acknowledged that you didn't know anything about the situation when you made that comment.

The suspension could have everything to do with the encounter.

YOu didnt point it out I did when I said it sounds like he was a good kid. And no the suspension does not have anything to do with this. Anymore then the record of the shooter.

 

[Gameface]

Color yourself color blind all you want but you're being completely disingenuous if you don't think skin color is thee reason this douchebag acted. If it was a white teen, the guy would've likely thought, Oh, it must be someone's son, or cousin, or friend visiting. But it wasn't. He was a black kid. So eyebrows were raised immediately.

I don't know why you're so certain of this. I was a punk teen, so naturally I really hate seeing punk teens roaming around up to no good. When I see a white punk teen I don't think, "ah, he's probably on his way to granny's house to help her with her chores." and then when I see a black punk teen, "What's he doing in my neighborhood? I'm going to stalk him and harass him until he's fed up enough to get physical...which is when I'll shoot him down." If anything I would be more hesitant to confront a black teen because I wouldn't want people to assume I only had a problem with him because he was black.