American Soldier Murders Afghans
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I cannot Rep you right now or i would. You deserve the increase. Good people.
aybars
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MK11
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Same. I just can't rep anyone for the last 15 hours, there is too little rep room for the 24 hours, I think.
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Id say this, along with Aybars's awesome undercover picture.
aybars
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masallah brother
long live Uçk
I am honestly beginning to become seriously irritated by this "you can only hand out so much rep in 24 hours" business. The fact that you know who UCK is is deserving of like 50 rep alone. My grandpa would probably splurge if he saw this post, haha.
Out of curiosity, how on earth do you know about them?
aybars
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we are turks,,u are kosovans,,same blood,,lets say it has something to do with my military background,,turkey helped alot to kosova during the war,,there were many turkish army officers in kosova illegaly to train and supply
MK11
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Living together for almost 500 years as the Ottoman family should explain a lot. Also the poet of our national anthem was an Albanian. And another example, Milošević was maybe the most cursed guy here in Turkey during the 1990'ies along with Apo(a terrorist leader)...
By the way it's KKO in turkish. (Kosova Kurtuluş Ordusu)
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we are turks,,u are kosovans,,same blood,,lets say it has something to do with my military background,,turkey helped alot to kosova during the war,,there were many turkish army officers in kosova illegaly to train and supply
Very very cool. I know every time I go to Prizren (Southern Kosovo, former capital back in the old old days) I come across a very sizeable Turkish-speaking minority.We typically have nothing but good things to say about the Turks. Hell, I hear ibrahim tatlıses blasting in the stress of gjakova whenever I visit
Our of curiosity, you two, why did the Turks hate Milosevic as well (Other than the obvious, though I feel that it is the obvious)?
MK11
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Well, it's the obvious. We love Balkan people.(not all of them ) We consider Bosnians, Albanians, Kosovans and even Macedonians and Hungarians(this is another topic) as our brothers.
But I'd like to go a little bit back in the history to explain the bonds between the the Turks(not as the etnicity) and the Balkans' people.
That's mainly because of the Ottoman policy. Unlike the former turkish empires, Ottomans didn't care about the etnicities much and let lots of people from other etnicities, into it's government system to have high positions in the palace, military or religious states. A form of this was the "devşirme system", which is basically finding talented or bright christian boys, especially from the Balkans, taking them from their families(forcibly, sometimes), converting them into Islam and training them into the leadership positions in different areas, even to the top of the empire! One of the main reasons to executing this system was for stating that it's not an empire which only belongs to the turkic nobles but also to 30 different etnic citizen groups of the empire. It was also preventing the fights for the throne between the turkic nobles. (Before Ottomans, tens of turkic empire collapsed because of that throne issue.) With in the time, this system started to work well, because people were themselves wanting to go into the Palace.
Anyway, in the first place, the ottomans have always considered the Balkans as too important, because their ultimate dream was conquering the whole Europe hehe. They've considered the Balkans as the main lands of the Empire and the whole anatolia was just the hinterland. At the end they couldn't managed to go beyond the Vienna but they've stayed at the Balkans for more than a half millennium. I think it's enough time to have very very strong bonds with those lands and those people.
There have always been many important turkish people who have Balkans origins, in the Turkish history. Several Sultans, several presidents, tons of politicians and military people, scientists, artists, athlethes, etc. Of course most of them have ottoman-muslim origins but there've been even Christian-Balkan origin turks who gave lots to the turkish history. Even in this modern times, there are hundreds of thousands turks with balkan origins live in Turkey and enrich the country.
Ironically, they have a huge influence in our basketball too, probably thanks to their tallness genes. Hedo Türkoğlu and Mirsad Türkcan(who is the best european rebounder ever) are just the most known examples.
Now finally if we come to the actual subject, Slobodan Milošević...
We used to call him "Kasap" which means "The Butcher", obviously it's in the meaning of "a murderer", "a human butcher". He was one of the biggest war criminals of the history as well as being one of the biggest idiots. He literally destroyed a hell of a country(the old Yugoslavia) single handedly. His idols were probably Hitler or Tito(their old dictator) or Mao etc... He did hell of a job murdering and massacring thousands of innocent people with his another super idiot crony Radovan Karadžić, both in Bosnian war and Kosovo war. I compare him as the modern day "Vlad the Impaler". Monster or anything but a human being.
I remember very well those days, from early 90ies(my childhood) with Bosnian War, to 1999(I was 16) the Kosovo War, to 2001 Milosevich's getting arrested, to 2006 his death in his otel-prison room in Lahey, and to 2008 Kosovo's independence... Turkey and turkish people always been supporter of Bosnia and Kosova these years, I remember Friday Sermons which are telling the situations of the poor people over there and telling to pray for them.
Turkey was also struggling with the pkk terror those years and the Iran-Iraq war next to her had just finished in 88 and there was the Gulf war rigth after that in again early 90ies. So we were all ourselves close to the war and because of this we've always been following what the hell is going in the world, and thus my and my olders' generations all know about KKO(UÇK) and Bosnian and Kosovo wars and their struggles.
Anyway, that monster never been judged accordingly nor duly, that's Europe's one big shame, to me. He then died in his 64-65, in 2006, is likely in the hell now.
So that's why we hate him, we love our brothers over there, and we hate him because of his crimes against the humanity.
And there is just one more reason to me... If he weren't, there may be still a Yugoslavia, so that flopper Spanish team couldn't dominate the european basketball. 
) We consider Bosnians, Albanians, Kosovans and even Macedonians and Hungarians(this is another topic) as our brothers.But I'd like to go a little bit back in the history to explain the bonds between the the Turks(not as the etnicity) and the Balkans' people.
That's mainly because of the Ottoman policy. Unlike the former turkish empires, Ottomans didn't care about the etnicities much and let lots of people from other etnicities, into it's government system to have high positions in the palace, military or religious states. A form of this was the "devşirme system", which is basically finding talented or bright christian boys, especially from the Balkans, taking them from their families(forcibly, sometimes), converting them into Islam and training them into the leadership positions in different areas, even to the top of the empire! One of the main reasons to executing this system was for stating that it's not an empire which only belongs to the turkic nobles but also to 30 different etnic citizen groups of the empire. It was also preventing the fights for the throne between the turkic nobles. (Before Ottomans, tens of turkic empire collapsed because of that throne issue.) With in the time, this system started to work well, because people were themselves wanting to go into the Palace.
Anyway, in the first place, the ottomans have always considered the Balkans as too important, because their ultimate dream was conquering the whole Europe hehe
. They've considered the Balkans as the main lands of the Empire and the whole anatolia was just the hinterland. At the end they couldn't managed to go beyond the Vienna but they've stayed at the Balkans for more than a half millennium. I think it's enough time to have very very strong bonds with those lands and those people. There have always been many important turkish people who have Balkans origins, in the Turkish history. Several Sultans, several presidents, tons of politicians and military people, scientists, artists, athlethes, etc. Of course most of them have ottoman-muslim origins but there've been even Christian-Balkan origin turks who gave lots to the turkish history. Even in this modern times, there are hundreds of thousands turks with balkan origins live in Turkey and enrich the country.
Ironically, they have a huge influence in our basketball too, probably thanks to their tallness genes. Hedo Türkoğlu and Mirsad Türkcan(who is the best european rebounder ever) are just the most known examples.
Now finally if we come to the actual subject, Slobodan Milošević...
We used to call him "Kasap" which means "The Butcher", obviously it's in the meaning of "a murderer", "a human butcher". He was one of the biggest war criminals of the history as well as being one of the biggest idiots. He literally destroyed a hell of a country(the old Yugoslavia) single handedly. His idols were probably Hitler or Tito(their old dictator) or Mao etc... He did hell of a job murdering and massacring thousands of innocent people with his another super idiot crony Radovan Karadžić, both in Bosnian war and Kosovo war. I compare him as the modern day "Vlad the Impaler". Monster or anything but a human being.
I remember very well those days, from early 90ies(my childhood) with Bosnian War, to 1999(I was 16) the Kosovo War, to 2001 Milosevich's getting arrested, to 2006 his death in his otel-prison room in Lahey, and to 2008 Kosovo's independence... Turkey and turkish people always been supporter of Bosnia and Kosova these years, I remember Friday Sermons which are telling the situations of the poor people over there and telling to pray for them.
Turkey was also struggling with the pkk terror those years and the Iran-Iraq war next to her had just finished in 88 and there was the Gulf war rigth after that in again early 90ies. So we were all ourselves close to the war and because of this we've always been following what the hell is going in the world, and thus my and my olders' generations all know about KKO(UÇK) and Bosnian and Kosovo wars and their struggles.
Anyway, that monster never been judged accordingly nor duly, that's Europe's one big shame, to me. He then died in his 64-65, in 2006, is likely in the hell now.
So that's why we hate him, we love our brothers over there, and we hate him because of his crimes against the humanity.
And there is just one more reason to me... If he weren't, there may be still a Yugoslavia, so that flopper Spanish team couldn't dominate the european basketball.
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PearlWatson
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Children are a threat to our soldiers. That's just a fact.
I enjoyed your "war against children" straw-man though. I knew someone would go there.
Two Middle East mothers are sitting in a cafe chatting over a plate of tabouli and a pint of goats milk.
The older of the mothers pulls a bag out of her purse and starts flipping through photos. And they start reminiscing.
This is my oldest son Mohammed. He would be 24 years old now.
Yes, I remember him as a baby says the other mother cheerfully.
He’s a martyr now though mum confides.
Oh, so sad dear says the other.
And this is my second son Kalid. He would be 21'
Oh, I remember him, says the other happily, he had such curly hair when he was born.
Hes a martyr too says mum quietly.
Oh, gracious me Says the other.
And this is my third son. My baby. My beautiful Ahmed.
He would be 18, she whispers.
Yes says the friend enthusiastically, I remember when he first started school
Hes a martyr also, says mum, with tears in her eyes.
After a pause and a deep sigh, the second Muslim mother looks wistfully at the photographs and says
They blow up so fast, dont they
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MK11
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Thanks for the new word(straw-man).
But, you've said that the children are not innocent in this war. And you've said that they participate.
I, have just said that the children are always innocent and you can not war against them. So where the hell is my "straw-man"ness?
Meanwhile, I have also said that you can take precautions, concerning your children-phobia...
Now, as for your wonderfully funny scenario, I accept the defeat on that, your imaginativeness tops mine, I don't think I can surmount that. But I can say this, you seem really really really unaware about the rest of the world...
PearlWatson
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The straw-man comes in because I never said we should war against children. I thought it possible the guy was retaliating against the village for killing his buddies or whatever. Or maybe he was sick of being jerked around, unsupported by his own commander in chief, and a target of everyone around him.
What precautions can you take against "childrenphobia" in this occupation/nation building/sitting around waiting to come home or whatever it is? It ain't even war. It is all a waste.
Sorry I have no respect for a religion whose founder had a 6 year old bride. Treats their women like chattel. Makes martyrs of their children. Kills gays, stones rape victims, etc. I'm sure there are kind Muslim people but the religion has too many "black marks" as Nate would say.
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Were you home-schooled for your entire adolescent life? Or are you suffering from some sort of mental illness? I am currently trying to think of reasons why you are easily one of the most incompetent posters on this forum.
My vote is that he is a rubber cement huffer.
PearlWatson
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Your founder had a 6 year old bride...a kindergartner. Does that bother you even a little bit?
Far be it for me to defend Islam. As far as I can tell they are one of the worst religions when it comes to tolerance.
The Black Swordsman
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2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing.
I previously put the other verse were it states killing 1 person is like killing mankind. Notice it says 1 person and not 1 Muslim or believer.
Stoning is not mentioned ONE TIME in the entirety of the Qur'an. The same cannot be said for the Bible (there are three times were it is used and seen as acceptable punishment).
The Qur'an prescribes no punishment for gays or apostles...
People put all these accusations about Islam without any references to verses because they don't exist.
People criticize the Qur'an without knowing its the perfect religion.
Also about Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) first I hear 12 years old, then 9, now people are saying 6 years old?? You guys realize the first time he married he was 25 years old and he married a 40 year old women.
I previously put the other verse were it states killing 1 person is like killing mankind. Notice it says 1 person and not 1 Muslim or believer.
Stoning is not mentioned ONE TIME in the entirety of the Qur'an. The same cannot be said for the Bible (there are three times were it is used and seen as acceptable punishment).
The Qur'an prescribes no punishment for gays or apostles...
People put all these accusations about Islam without any references to verses because they don't exist.
People criticize the Qur'an without knowing its the perfect religion.
Also about Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) first I hear 12 years old, then 9, now people are saying 6 years old?? You guys realize the first time he married he was 25 years old and he married a 40 year old women.
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