Deron to the Mavs...not so fast

[Mr. McGibblets]

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Interesting look at what Dallas would have to do in order to clear cap space for Deron and it doesn't leave a very good team. The author also mentions Portland as a team able to throw max money at Deron. If he ended up in Portland I would die. But withbPortland's luck, he'd probably reinjure his wrist worse than ever.

I know some think this is the wrong forum, but I disagree. It was our franchise player who will be a free agent in a couple months and Utah is a team that could clear the requisite cap space and still put out a competitive team. It's as relevant as any other free agent or draft prospect thread.

 

[BluesRocker]

I have been thinking Portland might be where he goes. Lamarcus Aldridge is the next likely person he might want to play with

 

[DutchJazzer]

he's goignm to miami for a 1 year mle

 

[Jazz4ever]

Deron is not worth the max anymore. He is down to 41% from the field and averages about 4 turnovers a game - those hurt real bad. Good luck to anyone that signs him to the max, it won't be the Jazz.

 

[NUMBERICA]

A well-written article. But it has one glaring issue; it presumes that out of Haywood and Marion, the Mavs would amnesty Haywood and not Marion, despite that they'd have to eat more money to amnesty Haywood, he's younger than Marion, plays a more important position, and a position that is way more difficult to sufficiently plug.

A team of Deron, Beaubois, Nowitski, Haywood, and then $2 million in cap, $2.5 million more, and minimum contracts isn't a bad team now.

Of all of the potential options, I still think - removing all emotions - one of Deron's best options is to sign here since the Jazz can clear that space at the snap of a finger (second only to the Pacers as far as I can see).

 

[JimLes]

What about sign-and-trades? Or did the new CBA get rid of those?

 

[Dr. Jones]

A well-written article. But it has one glaring issue; it presumes that out of Haywood and Marion, the Mavs would amnesty Haywood and not Marion, despite that they'd have to eat more money to amnesty Haywood, he's younger than Marion, plays a more important position, and a position that is way more difficult to sufficiently plug.

A team of Deron, Beaubois, Nowitski, Haywood, and then $2 million in cap, $2.5 million more, and minimum contracts isn't a bad team now.

Of all of the potential options, I still think - removing all emotions - Deron's best option is to sign here since the Jazz can clear that space at the snap of a finger.

What's your lineup?

 

[NUMBERICA]

What about sign-and-trades? Or did the new CBA get rid of those?

Sign-and-trades still exist. They're efficacy in regards to player options is greatly diminished, however.

• 2005 CBA: Six years with 10.5 percent raises for Bird free agents; five years with 8 percent raises for other players. Maximum salaries are approximately 25, 30 or 35 percent of the salary cap, depending on the player's years of service.

• 2011 CBA: Five years with 7.5 percent raises for Bird free agents; four years with 4.5 percent raises for other players (including all sign-and-trade transactions). The maximum salaries are the same as the 2005 CBA, except players coming off their rookie scale contracts qualify for the 30 percent maximum if they meet certain criteria. Minimum and rookie scale salaries are frozen near their 2010-11 levels until revenues rise enough that the reduction is proportional to the 12 percent reduction in the overall system.

• Who benefits? These changes provide the league with more cost control. The exception is the higher maximum salary for fifth-year players who meet certain league honors (MVP, an all-NBA team member twice, or an All-Star twice), which lets young superstars (think Derrick Rose) cash in with a bigger contract sooner.

The higher maximum salary for fifth-year players can also benefit teams. In 2006 LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh all signed shorter extensions (which allowed them to become free agents in three years) rather than signing on for the maximum five years. The three players timed their free agency to follow their seventh season in the league, when they became eligible for the 30 percent maximum. Allowing franchise players such as these to sign for the higher maximum sooner reduces the temptation for these players to sign shorter contracts, delaying their eventual free agency.

https://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA-111128/how-new-nba-deal-compares-last-one

 

[NUMBERICA]

What's your lineup?

I edited the post above, but the Pacers have the least salary committed in the NBA and would be able to have max room without doing much (a lot of that depends on how George Hill's and Roy Hibbert's situations work out, but they could still amnesty David West easily [$10 million for one year]).

 

[Xsy]

Deron is not worth the max anymore. He is down to 41% from the field and averages about 4 turnovers a game - those hurt real bad. Good luck to anyone that signs him to the max, it won't be the Jazz.

He's absolutely worth the max. He's having a bad year because he's the only option on a team full of bad players. He's consistently double teamed, and his team mates are dumb enough to not catch his passes.

 

[BluesRocker]

Deron is not worth the max anymore. He is down to 41% from the field and averages about 4 turnovers a game - those hurt real bad. Good luck to anyone that signs him to the max, it won't be the Jazz.

I don't believe that he is going to keep playing like that. We all know how good he can be. He is probably just in a weird place in his life. We have seen him let his emotions affect his play before.

I think he gets right when he settles in with a team that has some structure and hope of winning. If that ever happens.


I think Portland might be the place that can happen. Wouldn't surprise me

 

[NUMBERICA]

I don't believe that he is going to keep playing like that. We all know how good he can be. He is probably just in a weird place in his life. We have seen him let his emotions affect his play before.

I think he gets right when he settles in with a team that has some structure and hope of winning. If that ever happens.


I think Portland might be the place that can happen. Wouldn't surprise me

What does Portland have that the Jazz don't? An overrated, soft big that shoots jumpers (versus Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap, Derrick Favors, and/or Enes Kanter)? Better coach? Better record this year? Better market? A need for a PG?

By my count, the Blazers have no pick-and-roll bigs (what Deron does best), are a worse team, have an even less proven coach (or no coach), an organization in disarray, a slightly bigger market but still one of the smallest in the league, and one of Deron's friends.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I don't believe that he is going to keep playing like that. We all know how good he can be. He is probably just in a weird place in his life. We have seen him let his emotions affect his play before.

I think he gets right when he settles in with a team that has some structure and hope of winning. If that ever happens.


I think Portland might be the place that can happen. Wouldn't surprise me

Portland is in a complete rebuild. They're a small market and not a complete team.

I could see NY or LAL making a run then trying to recruit D12

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

....Then the league would play up the Battle LA theme.

 

[NUMBERICA]

LA would have to cut Bynum loose (for nothing) JUST to be allowed to do a sign-and-trade (and lose Gasol in the process, at least). I don't see a conceivable scenario where Deron ends up in LA.

 

[jope]

Portland is in a complete rebuild. They're a small market and not a complete team.

I could see NY or LAL making a run then trying to recruit D12

If deron somehow landed on la's roster, can you imagine how over played the lakers vs clippers discussion would get

 

[NAOS]

What does Portland have that the Jazz don't?

Portland has:
(a) no reputation for trading Deron Williams
(b) no fan base that thinks he got a legend fired

 

[BluesRocker]

What does Portland have that the Jazz don't? An overrated, soft big that shoots jumpers (versus Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap, Derrick Favors, and/or Enes Kanter)? Better coach? Better record this year? Better market? A need for a PG?

By my count, the Blazers have no pick-and-roll bigs (what Deron does best), are a worse team, have an even less proven coach (or no coach), an organization in disarray, a slightly bigger market but still one of the smallest in the league, and one of Deron's friends.

They have Lamarcus. He is a pretty good big. Their just isn't too many places he can go. And there is no way KOC would sign Deron. I want him back but it isn't happening. Especially with new CBA rules.

It doesn't really matter anyways. Anywhere he goes it isn't going to be the greatest situation, DAL, NJN, POR, ect..
His best hope was a Dwight pair up. There isn't stars left really. It wouldn't even surprise me if he stayed in NJ and just said screw it.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Portland has:
(a) no reputation for trading Deron Williams
(b) no fan base that thinks he got a legend fired

Well, they DID trade the pick that would have been him.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Deron is not worth the max anymore. He is down to 41% from the field and averages about 4 turnovers a game - those hurt real bad. Good luck to anyone that signs him to the max, it won't be the Jazz.

It's clear Deron is putting forth the same effort he did the last month or so of his Utah career. When times get tough, Deron simply stops caring. Once he goes to a winning team, expect those numbers to rise.