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If Gordon would get tossed for fighting back, who is supposed to respond?

//r00t 4 Jazz said:
Did you just call LeBron's mom a skank?

And for the record I was at the game and I couldn't clearly see what West did to Hayward but I did have a clear view of Corbin and his reaction is how I knew it wasn't a good. He nearly jumped at his shoes and started pointing and yelling to get the refs attention, but I was kinda hoping for a Sloan vs Sheed moment ending with Corbin telling West to come over and try that crap with me and threatening to kick is ***.
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Thanks for clearing that up. It's funny how everyone here is calling for some huge reaction by everybody, like they want the whole team to act like Kevin Garnett over the smallest thing. Stay mentally composed, point out what he did and get on the refs about calling it, play the game.
 
sahlensguy said:
How's he getting under their skin, by playing solid ball? I don't see him as a rat or anything.
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I do not think that is what Cy is saying. Hayward has a style of play that does get under opponents skin. He makes them lose their cool. That is a good thing. I just want the others to protect him when needed.

Like how Earl went after Dirk for slapping the ball away from Favors.
 
Bodhi said:
Hayward is going to continue to get treated like a bitch until he sticks up for himself in this league. Simple.
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Please Bodhi, and I think you're great, but Hayward played it great last night. Hope he reacts like that everytime. It's those around him that need to have his back.
 
sahlensguy said:
How's he getting under their skin, by playing solid ball? I don't see him as a rat or anything.
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You don't see what Hayward is saying/doing on the court. If you have ever played basketball, you can really get under players skins in the subtlest way without anyone other than the two of you noticing. Hayward make look like an innocent alter boy, but I assure you he isn't as innocent as he looks.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
You don't see what Hayward is saying/doing on the court. If you have ever played basketball, you can really get under players skins in the subtlest way without anyone other than the two of you noticing. Hayward make look like an innocent alter boy, but I assure you he isn't as innocent as he looks.
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An example supporting Cy is watch Hayward secure position or something. He is often just a little more physical than he needs to be. Not enough to draw a foul but enough to piss people off.
 
Stoked said:
I do not think that is what Cy is saying. Hayward has a style of play that does get under opponents skin. He makes them lose their cool. That is a good thing. I just want the others to protect him when needed.

Like how Earl went after Dirk for slapping the ball away from Favors.
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And got T'd up, and we still lost the game despite the "emotional chemistry". If you want respect in the league you win games.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
And got T'd up, and we still lost the game despite the "emotional chemistry". If you want respect in the league you win games.
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Yes he did but it was the most recent example I could think of off the top of my head of one Jaz zplayer sticking up for another. What I would prefer is a nice hard, legal, pick. Plenty of legal ways to get the message across.
 
Gordon should've said, "are hinting that you want me to do that to your diseased *****?"
 
sahlensguy said:
How's he getting under their skin, by playing solid ball? I don't see him as a rat or anything.
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There is a reason Chris Webber took out John Stockton and there is a reason Affalo and West are going after Hayward.

I missed the first half of the game, I would love to see what Hayward did to provoke it.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
You don't see what Hayward is saying/doing on the court. If you have ever played basketball, you can really get under players skins in the subtlest way without anyone other than the two of you noticing. Hayward make look like an innocent alter boy, but I assure you he isn't as innocent as he looks.
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Unfortunately I catch almost all the games on the radio. What's he doing? Maybe he is merely sticking up for himself. That would piss West off enough, I'm sure. So if you say Hayward is an instigator, let's hear it. I think he's just a secure kid who doesn't look like a stud, and that passes off his competition.
 
sahlensguy said:
Unfortunately I catch almost all the games on the radio. What's he doing? Maybe he is merely sticking up for himself. That would loss West off enough, I'm sure. So if you say Hayward is an instigator, let's hear it. I think he's just a secure kid who doesn't look like a stud, and that passes off his competition.
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That may have soemthing to do with it.

There have been times where Hayward is very physical getting position on offense with his man. Being a 6-8 SG (when he plays that position) he is bigger than alot of his defenders. All the little bumps and and touches, the little things add up.
 
Stoked said:
That may have soemthing to do with it.

There have been times where Hayward is very physical getting position on offense with his man. Being a 6-8 SG (when he plays that position) he is bigger than alot of his defenders. All the little bumps and and touches, the little things add up.
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Dirty?

And for a point of reference, Stock was at times a dirty player imo. Hayward not so much.
 
sahlensguy said:
Unfortunately I catch almost all the games on the radio. What's he doing? Maybe he is merely sticking up for himself. That would piss West off enough, I'm sure. So if you say Hayward is an instigator, let's hear it. I think he's just a secure kid who doesn't look like a stud, and that passes off his competition.
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I don't think Hayward is an innocent as you think. Like I said, these things that happen are small and accumulate over the course of a game, season, and career.
 
I rewatched the game and Sap set a nice hard pick on West the next time he was on the floor, I didn't mark the time though.
 
sahlensguy said:
Examples??? Or with all do respect, stfu.
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Like I said, they are small things that happen that aren't easily noticeable, things that may be said. I guess you have never played basketball. I doubt West just decided to pick on him because he is the white boy.
 
sahlensguy said:
Examples??? Or with all do respect, stfu.
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Making blanketed and vague/unprovable (but said as 100% fact) statements is sort of the way things work around here. But he has played a TON of pickup ball, as opposed to any of us, so he really does have a ton of valuable insight on the subject. Basically "its a Jeep Thang, you wouldn't understand".
 
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