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KOC Appreciation Thread

AtheistPreacher

AtheistPreacher

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Some people are busy slinging mud at KOC for not making an offer to Matthews, letting Boozer go, etc. I just wanted to start this thread to recognize what a great job KOC has really done this offseason.

Last offseason was supposed to be the one where it all blew up, since we knew we wouldn't have the money to pay Okur, Millsap, AND Boozer. But ownership allowed the team to head deep in luxury tax territory in order to hit the "pause" button on the team for one more year. And then it became this offseason when it all had to blow up.

And for a while it looked like it did. Boozer left, Korver left. The Blazers stuck it to us again with Matthews. That was when KOC suddenly started pulling rabbits out of his hat.

Look at it now, and we've basically done three 1-for-1 replacements:

Jefferson for Boozer
Bell for Matthews
Hayward for Korver

Now instead of getting worse, we've arguably gotten better. Jefferson is a guy who's even younger than Boozer, psyched to finally be on a winning team, and hopefully bereft of Boozer's whininess and seeming ambivalence. Bell is getting up there, but we got him for cheap, and he's still a great defender, great 3-point shooter, and is a known favorite of Sloan's. As for Hayward, he certainly has the potential to be better than Korver, and with Miles, Bell, and Kirilenko already here, we don't have any urgent need to develop him quickly, and yet we're not so stacked that he won't get PT.

We can all dream of scenarios where things could have worked out better. Yeah, I wish we could have kept Matthews at a reasonable price. But the fact is that there are 29 other GMs trying to snatch up players and make their own moves, and still KOC went out and filled the holes and addressed all our pressing needs.

So, very sincerely, thanks to KOC. I'm looking forward to next season to see what this team can do.

1 DWill-Price
2 Bell-Miles
3 AK-Hayward
4/5 Jefferson-Millsap-Okur
 
KOC was sitting on his hands doing nothing and got lucky when all these deals fell on his head. He made a mistake in the draft once, too. Nice try, but I'll be buying my car from the guy down the street.
 
billyshelby said:
KOC was sitting on his hands doing nothing and got lucky when all these deals fell on his head. He made a mistake in the draft once, too. Nice try, but I'll be buying my car from the guy down the street.
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Yes, clearly he was doing nothing. That's why the deals got made. I'm sure he wasn't making calls or anything. :rolleyes:

Easy to criticize when you're sitting in your living room. Fact is, it all worked out better than most of us expected. Short of magically getting Matthews for peanuts, I can hardly imagine a better scenario than what happened. Yeah, KOC made no offer to Matthews. But do people *really* think that he would have signed this theoretical lower offer from KOC *right away* rather than wait for something better? His agent would have been insane to tell him not to wait. Which means the Blazers were always going to have the opportunity to screw us again.

Seriously, give me a non-fairytale scenario better than what's happened. I'd love to hear what a good GM would have done if KOC is supposedly so terrible.
 
David Stern said:
This should be a Miller/KOC appreciation thread.
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That, too. Miller footed the bill and went into LT territory for the first time, and we're headed there again... glad he's willing to do that. After next season, AK's albatross will be gone, and hopefully we can start collecting tax again instead of paying it.
 
Wiithn the last few days KOC has stuck it to Dallas (out-bidding them for AJ), stuck it to Portland (not matching their inflated offer to Matthews) and more importantly, stuck it to Kobe and the Lakers (signing Bell). What's not to like about that?
 
I would've felt better if he simply just made an offer to Matthews and had given him the chance to refuse. With Korver, I think he may have made a deal with the Bulls ahead of time, that they wanted Korver, so the Jazz wouldn't make him an offer for future considerations which turned out to be the TPE, because as we all know, Korver was very open about his desire to stay in Utah.
 
write4u said:
I would've felt better if he simply just made an offer to Matthews and had given him the chance to refuse. With Korver, I think he may have made a deal with the Bulls ahead of time, that they wanted Korver, so the Jazz wouldn't make him an offer for future considerations which turned out to be the TPE, because as we all know, Korver was very open about his desire to stay in Utah.
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Utah should not have had and did not have any interest in keeping Korver. He was not the player we needed going forward.

As far as Mathews goes. When your agent comes out asking almost double what the team is hoping to pay. It's a good idea to let that player go out and see if they can get that before agreeing.
 
Not so sure the Jazz would not have made him an offer ultimately, depending on how everything turned out. Obviously, Korver wasn't a priority, but that doesn't mean they didn't want him back at all. Just that KOC is a cold guy (you can tell from his interviews and public statements); he could've told Korver to look at other options, and if things didn't work out for either the Jazz or Korver, then they could talk. But he didn't say a thing.
 
write4u said:
Not so sure the Jazz would not have made him an offer ultimately, depending on how everything turned out. Obviously, Korver wasn't a priority, but that doesn't mean they didn't want him back at all. Just that KOC is a cold guy (you can tell from his interviews and public statements); he could've told Korver to look at other options, and if things didn't work out for either the Jazz or Korver, then they could talk. But he didn't say a thing.
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Ahh your all soft and marshmellowy in the middle. Unfortunately this is a business and they will do what is best for themselves from both points of view. And loyalty and making a player feel good about the way he leaves is 2nd.

Why should they bother going to Korver and saying they did not plan to resign him except as a last resort? Worked great with Boozer last year telling him he was not in your future plans. Wait........doh.
 
Mantis said:
Wiithn the last few days KOC has stuck it to Dallas (out-bidding them for AJ), stuck it to Portland (not matching their inflated offer to Matthews) and more importantly, stuck it to Kobe and the Lakers (signing Bell). What's not to like about that?
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he stuck it to portland and dallas but come one with lakers..Lakers will be fine and will most likely be playing in the finals yet again, but yes by all means we dif stuck it to em..lol
 
AtheistPreacher said:
Some people are busy slinging mud at KOC for not making an offer to Matthews, letting Boozer go, etc. I just wanted to start this thread to recognize what a great job KOC has really done this offseason.

Last offseason was supposed to be the one where it all blew up, since we knew we wouldn't have the money to pay Okur, Millsap, AND Boozer. But ownership allowed the team to head deep in luxury tax territory in order to hit the "pause" button on the team for one more year. And then it became this offseason when it all had to blow up.

And for a while it looked like it did. Boozer left, Korver left. The Blazers stuck it to us again with Matthews. That was when KOC suddenly started pulling rabbits out of his hat.

Look at it now, and we've basically done three 1-for-1 replacements:

Jefferson for Boozer
Bell for Matthews
Hayward for Korver

Now instead of getting worse, we've arguably gotten better. Jefferson is a guy who's even younger than Boozer, psyched to finally be on a winning team, and hopefully bereft of Boozer's whininess and seeming ambivalence. Bell is getting up there, but we got him for cheap, and he's still a great defender, great 3-point shooter, and is a known favorite of Sloan's. As for Hayward, he certainly has the potential to be better than Korver, and with Miles, Bell, and Kirilenko already here, we don't have any urgent need to develop him quickly, and yet we're not so stacked that he won't get PT.

We can all dream of scenarios where things could have worked out better. Yeah, I wish we could have kept Matthews at a reasonable price. But the fact is that there are 29 other GMs trying to snatch up players and make their own moves, and still KOC went out and filled the holes and addressed all our pressing needs.

So, very sincerely, thanks to KOC. I'm looking forward to next season to see what this team can do.

1 DWill-Price
2 Bell-Miles
3 AK-Hayward
4/5 Jefferson-Millsap-Okur
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Here... Here... !!
Not only did we spend less on our players but we also got younger (except for Bell/Korver).

I know Jazz fans are spoiled but we gotta stop hating on their own coaches/GM.
Our FO & coach has the respect of so many around the league, yet we poo poo it & take it for granted.
 
billyshelby said:
KOC was sitting on his hands doing nothing and got lucky when all these deals fell on his head. He made a mistake in the draft once, too. Nice try, but I'll be buying my car from the guy down the street.
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Just read in deseret news: "trade that sent Kosta Koufos ... to Minnesota in exchange for <Jefferson>". I had to stop to read this several times. Lucky or not, bow to KOC.
 
AtheistPreacher said:
hopefully we can start collecting tax again instead of paying it.
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what?! check out the last 8 teams standing in last year's playoffs. cavs, magic, celtics, hawks, jazz, lakers, suns, and spurs... they were all big-spending teams. the best way to land at the bottom of the standings in the NBA is to be cheap.
 
Great job by KOC, rebuilding on the fly again, just like he did in 04. As I stated in another thread, the Jazz also don't have any contracts that extend beyond the 2013 offseason, so KOC will have plenty of flexibility to add and drop pieces as he sees fit (based on performance, fit, etc.).
 
TICC said:
Great job by KOC, rebuilding on the fly again, just like he did in 04. As I stated in another thread, the Jazz also don't have any contracts that extend beyond the 2013 offseason, so KOC will have plenty of flexibility to add and drop pieces as he sees fit (based on performance, fit, etc.).
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Well stated. When does Williams contract expire?
 
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