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Official Game Thread: "Uh oh, it's Magic" at Jazz...Saturday, 4/21, 8:30pm MT

jazzman12 said:
OIMO Al is a top 3 Center in the NBA offensively.
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Based on what criteria? Again, dude doesn't score all that much, and isn't terribly efficient. Further, he doesn't run the floor at all, and the offense gets fewer easy buckets as a result.
 
GVC said:
Based on what criteria? Again, dude doesn't score all that much, and isn't terribly efficient. Further, he doesn't run the floor at all, and the offense gets fewer easy buckets as a result.
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but when all you do is watch the ball.... well... jefferson touches it a lot... n'... his old skool moves...
 
InGameStrategy said:
You're just a hater hater.
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Lol.

The thing is, Al does play good defense at times. The contention around here is that he is incapable, too stupid/lazy, won't ever do it. It isn't true. Jefferson plays very good defense just not consistently. When he doesn't he is truly turrible. Al has a really bad habit of not trusting the rotations behind him and is never comfortable out by the 3pt line. He also gets confused. But sometimes you see him doing it all right. It's not like he can't do it, rather that he's never seen the value kind of like assists. In the last 2 games I've seen players cutting while AJ has the ball and he has found them. Point being, this guy is not done getting better.

This is one of the many things overlooked by the coach hunters. Jefferson is vastly superior to the player we traded for. Harris too. Our young players are all developing (even though they have all been shot in the head by Corbin), especially Favors who many will still tell you Corbs is choking to death. Kanter is even showing progress and tonight was a very good game for him.

This team has a bright, bright future. Gluts of talent are not bad things.
 
GVC said:
"Hater" isn't an insult? If you want to have an intelligent, respectful discussion, maybe you shouldn't open with insult.
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How about some intellectual honesty? "Hater" is a generic term that in this case describes all the Jazz fans who dislike Jefferson. It was not me directly calling you a name, unlike yourself who directly went to the f'ing idiot card because you disagree with me about the worth of a basketball player.

It was a hack move by a hack poster, but that tends to be your style on this board so I'm not suprised or offended.
 
JJAS said:
Serious question, Cy; did you actually watch the game (I'm serious, did you tune in and out of the game)? Because what I saw was Al's man picking either the ball handler or another person's man. In the pick and roll, the ball handler either shot a wide open three, drove and made a lay-up, or kicked it out for a wide open three because Al was not stopping the ball handler at Al. He also did not slow down guys that were screened off the ball and thus gave them either wide-open shots or wide open drives to the basket.
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Yes, watched the entire game besides the 1st minute of the 3rd quarter.
 
Brown Notes said:
This is one of the many things overlooked by the coach hunters. Jefferson is vastly superior to the player we traded for. Harris too. Our young players are all developing (even though they have all been shot in the head by Corbin), especially Favors who many will still tell you Corbs is choking to death. Kanter is even showing progress and tonight was a very good game for him.

This team has a bright, bright future. Gluts of talent are not bad things.
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I'm sorry WHAT? Did you just say Harris was better than DWill?
 
jazzman12 said:
How about some intellectual honesty? "Hater" is a generic term that in this case describes all the Jazz fans who dislike Jefferson. It was not me directly calling you a name, unlike yourself who directly went to the f'ing idiot card because you disagree with me about the worth of a basketball player.

It was a hack move by a hack poster, but that tends to be your style on this board so I'm not suprised or offended.
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get over it and defend your position. you are obfuscating...
 
jazzman12 said:
How about some intellectual honesty? "Hater" is a generic term that in this case describes all the Jazz fans who dislike Jefferson. .
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eh? I used a generic term (****ing moron) for those who perform a specific action (insult those who disagree with you). What's the difference?

Based on what criteria is Al a top offensive center? Volume alone?
 
I don't know if anyone else caught it, but driving home from the game tonight and listening to the post-game, they said that with Milsap, Favors, and Jefferson on the floor together, the Jazz outscored the Magic 71-35.

I want to see more of those three together on the floor.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
I don't know if anyone else caught it, but driving home from the game tonight and listening to the post-game, they said that with Milsap, Favors, and Jefferson on the floor together, the Jazz outscored the Magic 71-35.

I want to see more of those three together on the floor.
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I didn't hear that, but I will admit that Favors was dominant defensively and on the boards when he was in. He was also able to cover for some of Al's deficiencies on the defensive end. Al started to heat up offensively, and then made some sweet passes to win the game, so I can buy this. We absolutely annihilated Portland with this line-up. I'm all for seeing this more.
 
(... fill in lots of baseless opinions about Al...)

"wait, what did you call me? Let's talk about that...."
 
NAOS said:
(... fill in lots of baseless opinions about Al...)

"wait, what did you call me? Let's talk about that...."
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All he's done is made baseless assertions and tried to discredit anyone who disagrees with him by labeling them "haters". I realize I should handle myself better, but what the ****, sometimes it's fun acting like an ***.

For what it's worth, I thought Al's defense was improved earlier in the season. He was moving his feet and providing decent help from the weakside. Obviously, he wasn't spectacular defending the PnR, but he was a lot better then than he has been the last few weeks. His turnover and assist rates are at career high levels as well, and the offense has been better with him in the game (statistically).

He also has the lowest TS% and on-court team rebounding of all 4 Jazz bigs, and I'd say is easily the worst transition player on the team.

Is he a useful NBA player? Absolutely. But he's not a star, and in the future should not be paid as one.
 
I'll contintue to get the flak for liking Jefferson on this team, but I'll stick by my opinion. I think it was Locke who posted that Utah's best +/- lineup is when Jefferson, Favors, and Millsap all play together. I don't think that's by accident. Offensively, Jefferson provides the low post presence that I think any legit contender needs. He demands a double team and has gotten much better about passing out of the double team. His presence is huge in regards to spreading the floor for Utah. If the Jazz had any legit spot-up 3 point shooters, it would be even more evident. You can dislike Jefferson and his defense all you want, but you're not spreading the floor as well if Favors or Millsap is your main low post threat. I think Favors can be that guy in time, but he's certainly not right now. IMO Utah becomes much more easier to defend when you have the opposing team playing Favors or Sap one-on-one in the post.
 
Favors was brilliant tonight. He avoided all of the pitfalls that normally hold him back (offensive fouls, travels, horrible shots, foul trouble) and was extremely efficient.

Gotta love it.
 
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