Rick Carlisle

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

When was the last time a team fired a first time head coach that guided a team to the playoffs not expected to get that far?

This thread is a little premature. We need to have some patience, and see how Ty evolves as a coach.

 

[jumpin bean]

When was the last time a team fired a first time head coach that guided a team to the playoffs not expected to get that far?

This thread is a little premature. We need to have some patience, and see how Ty evolves as a coach.

well for the few of us that didnt think Corbin was the right guy for the job,dont want to hear the word patience,the guys do play hard but when TY and the Jazz havent figured out that there is such thing as a 3ball in the game of basketball,and their philosophies and player personel doesnt reflect that they have a clue that you have to score and defend the 3ball,its time to get someone here that will address this major Jazz flaw. ps.thats what killed Sloan in his last years and passed the same philosophy to TY.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

well for the few of us that didnt think Corbin was the right guy for the job,dont want to hear the word patience,the guys do play hard but when TY and the Jazz havent figured out that there is such thing as a 3ball in the game of basketball,and their philosophies and player personel doesnt reflect that they have a clue that you have to score and defend the 3ball,its time to get someone here that will address this major Jazz flaw.

You do realize the Jazz had a top 10 3pt defense this year in terms of % allowed?

Also, Ty Corbin doesn't have a say (or at least, not final say or a huge say) in personnel that KOC signs.

 

[Hartsock]

I think Corbin should get this coming year and maybe the year after and then if his flaws still remain evident and the team's not progressed, he needs to go.

I agree, you can't expect him to be a top 5 coach after only two years. But after 4 years you should know what you've got an be able to make a fair decision.

 

[jumpin bean]

I dont agree,and feel that the Jazz have never respected the 3ball either in getting enough perimeter shooters or respecting the 3 on the defensive end .it seems its always pack it in the paint and dare people to beat you beyond the arc.Seems like every game we were giving up so much in that category and Ithink the game has changed to where you have to respect the 3 in the game of basketball.also the top 10 stat you brought up is correct but against teams that could drive and kick or pass it around the horn well ,make or miss no one on the jazz were anywhere near the shooter to contest any shot.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I dont agree,and feel that the Jazz have never respected the 3ball either in getting enough perimeter shooters or respecting the 3 on the defensive end .it seems its always pack it in the paint and dare people to beat you beyond the arc.Seems like every game we were giving up so much in that category and Ithink the game has changed to where you have to respect the 3 in the game of basketball.also the top 10 stat you brought up is correct but against teams that could drive and kick or pass it around the horn well ,make or miss no one on the jazz were anywhere near the shooter to contest any shot.

Not trying to be a grammar Nazi, but please use capitalization when you start a new sentence. It really is hard to read a paragraph without them.

Also, spaces after periods and commas.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Why? KOC has been around Corbin for the last 8 years. They know what he is capable of. If they didn't believe in him, they wouldn't have signed him.

You, me, and everyone else know that the only reason Corbin is the coach is because Sloan suddenly peaced and the Jazz were in an awful place. That they extended him shows more about the Jazz's desperation level than anything about Tyrone Corbin. Again, the guy had proven nothing.

 

[NUMBERICA]

When was the last time a team fired a first time head coach that guided a team to the playoffs not expected to get that far?

This thread is a little premature. We need to have some patience, and see how Ty evolves as a coach.

This thread isn't about Corbin, it's about Rick Carlisle, who is definitely a top-tier coach. Corbin is not. To expect anyone to become as good or better than Carlisle is foolish. That's like saying we shouldn't trade Burks for Kevin Durant because we need to have some patience and see how Burks evolves as a player. The gap is that wide.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You, me, and everyone else know that the only reason Corbin is the coach is because Sloan suddenly peaced and the Jazz were in an awful place. That they extended him shows more about the Jazz's desperation level than anything about Tyrone Corbin. Again, the guy had proven nothing.

They could have easily just named him interim and signed someone else in the off-season. They could have named one of the other assistants HC. He had been with the team for 8 years as an assistant, so to say he has proven nothing is absurd, he isn't Mark Jackson. KOC had seen him work with the team over the past decade and at least had a pretty good idea of who he would be as a coach.

 

[jumpin bean]

Why? KOC has been around Corbin for the last 8 years. They know what he is capable of. If they didn't believe in him, they wouldn't have signed him.

thanks man. My spelling bee champion dreams are shattered.I just hope I can evolve into a better writer.If I can just look in the mirror and be proud of my effort I think it will all be ok.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This thread isn't about Corbin, it's about Rick Carlisle, who is definitely a top-tier coach. Corbin is not. To expect anyone to become as good or better than Carlisle is foolish. That's like saying we shouldn't trade Burks for Kevin Durant because we need to have some patience and see how Burks evolves as a player. The gap is that wide.

Is it? He did just get bounced in 4 games with Dirk Nowitzki. Carlisle is good, but let's not over glorify him.

 

[jumpin bean]

They could have easily just named him interim and signed someone else in the off-season. They could have named one of the other assistants HC. He had been with the team for 8 years as an assistant, so to say he has proven nothing is absurd, he isn't Mark Jackson. KOC had seen him work with the team over the past decade and at least had a pretty good idea of who he would be as a coach.

Ty is dedicated,but just as a player he is a role player.Ty is Kermit the frog and Pop is Jim Henson.

 

[NUMBERICA]

They could have easily just named him interim and signed someone else in the off-season. They could have named one of the other assistants HC. He had been with the team for 8 years as an assistant, so to say he has proven nothing is absurd, he isn't Mark Jackson. KOC had seen him work with the team over the past decade and at least had a pretty good idea of who he would be as a coach.

How can you have a good idea of a person's ability to be a head coach in the NBA if he's never been a head coach, or even lead ASSISTANT anywhere?

They extended him on the hope that he would pan out (and that if he did, he would be property of the Jazz, not just some mercenary). Any other scenario I can think of is foolish.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Is it? He did just get bounced in 4 games with Dirk Nowitzki. Carlisle is good, but let's not over glorify him.

Corbin managed a cluster****ed logjam of players in a cluster****ed year to scrape into the playoffs and get embarrassed. Rick Carlisle beat a better team by every analysts account by outcoaching his opponent for an NBA championship. It's hard to over glorify that.

Yes, the gap is that wide.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Corbin managed a cluster****ed logjam of players in a cluster****ed year to scrape into the playoffs and get embarrassed. Dirk beat a better team by every analysts account by playing out of his mind for a NBA championship. It's hard to over glorify that.

Yes, the gap is that wide.

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[NUMBERICA]

I'll just go ahead and accept that as a white flag because it's so weak.

 

[trigg3r]

Is not under contract after this season. Any chance Dallas is stupid enough to let him go?

Carlisle is on the short list of coaches that I think is so much better than Corbin that the Jazz would HAVE to look at hiring him. Am I nuts?

I tend to agree that I would prefer Carlisle, but it is not going to happen. Corbin was foolishly given an extension prior to even proving himself as a coach. He has done a decent job this year(except for not giving Favors more time) and will be back for next season at least.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'll just go ahead and accept that as a white flag because it's so weak.

I'm not sure what we are arguing about.

Would I take Carlisle if we could? Yes.

Do I think we have a chance? No, unless Cuban thinks he can convince Phil Jackson to coach the Mavs, I don't see why he wouldn't retain him.

Do I think KOC knew what he was doing when he signed Corbin or was it just a shot in the dark? He knew what he was doing. Obviously he didn't know exactly what he would be, but I'm sure he had a good idea of it. Signing him to a multiple year deal makes sense because it isn't exactly a great situation for the coach or team to have the uncertainty of a 1 year deal.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I'm not sure what we are arguing about.

Would I take Carlisle if we could? Yes.

Do I think we have a chance? No, unless Cuban thinks he can convince Phil Jackson to coach the Mavs, I don't see why he wouldn't retain him.

Do I think KOC knew what he was doing when he signed Corbin or was it just a shot in the dark? He knew what he was doing. Obviously he didn't know exactly what he would be, but I'm sure he had a good idea of it. Signing him to a multiple year deal makes sense because it isn't exactly a great situation for the coach or team to have the uncertainty of a 1 year deal.

I don't know what you were arguing with me about since this post mostly mirrors my views.

 

[NUMBERICA]

For reference, Corbin signed a two-year deal with a team option for the third year shortly after Sloan bounced. I assume that means the contract went into effect this season, but maybe it started when he signed the deal? At any rate, it's not like the Jazz are paying Corbin $6 million a year and he signed a five-year deal. Eating <$2 million isn't the craziest thing I've ever heard of an organization doing.