HipHopAnonymous
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Good point. He also liked it here & wanted to play for Sloan. He would have been Kobe's caddy in LA
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Good point. He also liked it here & wanted to play for Sloan. He would have been Kobe's caddy in LA
orangello
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Make that happen.
BluesRocker
Banned
Im feeling it. Getr dun
BluesRocker
Banned
That was weird. Why did it add more to his quote?
How are we going to win any games by starting 4 players?
There is no way on gods green earth we are going to get a first rounder for Raja. A second rounder is pushing it as well. A team would almost certainly want to trade their crap for our crap. The question is, would there crap be worth it?
Addition by subtraction.
Gyp Rosetti
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What's the upside of amnestying? It seems like it only really aides the LA's and Ny's of the world, so to speak. I mean, let me understand this correctly. If we amnestied Jefferson we'd still have to pay his salary. So what's the point? It frees up a roster spot? What?
And removes his salary from the cap/luxury tax. They do pay it, but it doesn't count against their cap.
Their salary won't count against your cap. Also, teams under the cap bid on the player. Whatever they bid is what they pay of he salary, so the amnestying team won't have to pay all of it (assuming someone makes a bid).
Gyp Rosetti
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I guess I wonder how much that really helps a team like Utah. If we amnestied Jefferson's 15M next year, I assume a team will sign him soon after. But for how much? 11M? So we eat 4M. But do we really think that we'd then go out and spend the freed up money on someone else? Maybe I suppose. But personally if he's amnestied, that's a major red flag to other teams and automatically drives down his signing value by about 25% which isn't good for us. To maybe even 10M or less.
I don't know. KOC needs to work the phones hard and then if there's nothing feasible, just amnesty him and go hard after Batum. A Batum-Favors defensive tandem is something you can truly build around. Batum can also shoot the three. If we wiff on him, then sign Rush.
I don't know. KOC needs to work the phones hard and then if there's nothing feasible, just amnesty him and go hard after Batum. A Batum-Favors defensive tandem is something you can truly build around. Batum can also shoot the three. If we wiff on him, then sign Rush.
No, if the Jazz amnesty Jefferson (as an example), they still pay the entire $15M and that $15M comes off the book. Whether it helps the Jazz is debatable, but had they had this a couple of years ago, they could have dumped AK's salary and been under the luxury tax. They would still pay AK but not the luxury tax. The financial burden is still there, only not as much as it could be. Unless a team is in the luxury tax territory, doing an amnesty on a player with one year left doesn't make sense unless it allows that team to sign a major free agent.
This wasn't in the reports out last December. The team who picks up a player on waivers pays a portion of the salary. If they're not picked up and go to FA then the whole amount is owed by the original team.
True. I'm basing it on the assumption that nobody is going to claim Jefferson's salary (as an example). I should have been more clear.
billyshelby
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If you want get super technical, it's a blind bidding process. Teams under the Cap are allowed to bid up to their cap space as I recall. Al would almost certainly be bid on, with the winning bid being somewhere between 2 - 4 million. (Think Chauncey was 2 or 2.5, in there). Thus, the high bid gets Al and pays that portion of his 15 million salary with the Jazz picking up the rest.
Gyp Rosetti
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Yeah, I guess that's what I was saying. That a team would then later sign the amnestied Jefferson for hypothetically 11M, so the Jazz organization would then be relieved of that burden and have to pay just the difference. 4M.
So we'd be out 4M, but our cap number would be cut down by 15M and be at 35.25M. Very favorable.
I know it doesn't make a ton of sense to amnesty an expiring but if KOC's exhausted his options the next couple months, I think it would make some sense in that it would free up money to sign someone like Batum/Rush and open up time for Favors/Kanter, thus expediting their development. Sure, we could keep him here, we'd probably be better as a team this year with that deep front court but would we really get any better offers in January then we may in June? Does having a better season this year because we have Jefferson really mean jack if he's not in our long-term plans anyway?
gregbroncs
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Amnesty is a waste for the Jazz.
I want them to trade him if possible. If not I want them to tell him that he is to honor his contract and make him show up to every practice and every walkthrough. And then make him inactive for every game all season.
Maybe send him to the D-league for the year.
This hypocrite deserves less than that.
I want them to trade him if possible. If not I want them to tell him that he is to honor his contract and make him show up to every practice and every walkthrough. And then make him inactive for every game all season.
Maybe send him to the D-league for the year.
This hypocrite deserves less than that.
billyshelby
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There's one scenario where the amnesty of Jefferson makes sense -- the Memo TPE. In the unlikely event a player comes available in a pure salary dump that KOC wants, amnestying Jefferson could then keep the Jazz out of LT territory (and I'm not even sure it would be necessary.) But it's a bullet in the gun.