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The Thriller said:
Personally, I don't understand why we need a Stockton PG right now.

Why not a good shooter? For one, we need a shooter. Secondly, the NBA has changed to a more scoring type PG.... And thirdly, Burks and Hayward can create. In fact, I want to see more time and spaced dedicated to their ability to create. What's wrong with using Burks/Hayward as Ginobli/Harden in pick and rolls with our bigs?

I understand we couldn't do this when Keefe and Bruss were our SF/SGs.

But Burks and Hayward are great athletes and thrive when the ball is in their hands. They're not catch and shoot players. That's not their strength.

If anything, we need a PG who can nail the shots that Hayward/Burks create. I'm not sold in Hayward's or Burks nailing wide open shots created by PGs. They're better off creating, driving, and getting to the FT line rather than playing as Korver or Matt Bonner waiting to receive a pass.

So play to the strengths of our team. Get a PG that can shoot and create (decently). Then use Burks and Hayward to create and exploit matchups. If we had a number of shooters and catch and shoot players who couldn't create then a PG like Marshall would make sense. Unfortunately, we're a team of slashers, drivers, and creators rather than shooters.

Play to the strength of our team. Get a PG that can shoot.
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The voice of reason. I agree completely with this post.
 
The Thriller said:
Personally, I don't understand why we need a Stockton PG right now.

Why not a good shooter? For one, we need a shooter. Secondly, the NBA has changed to a more scoring type PG.... And thirdly, Burks and Hayward can create. In fact, I want to see more time and spaced dedicated to their ability to create. What's wrong with using Burks/Hayward as Ginobli/Harden in pick and rolls with our bigs?

I understand we couldn't do this when Keefe and Bruss were our SF/SGs.

But Burks and Hayward are great athletes and thrive when the ball is in their hands. They're not catch and shoot players. That's not their strength.

If anything, we need a PG who can nail the shots that Hayward/Burks create. I'm not sold in Hayward's or Burks nailing wide open shots created by PGs. They're better off creating, driving, and getting to the FT line rather than playing as Korver or Matt Bonner waiting to receive a pass.

So play to the strengths of our team. Get a PG that can shoot and create (decently). Then use Burks and Hayward to create and exploit matchups. If we had a number of shooters and catch and shoot players who couldn't create then a PG like Marshall would make sense. Unfortunately, we're a team of slashers, drivers, and creators rather than shooters.

Play to the strength of our team. Get a PG that can shoot.
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I agree except we have two future big men that will need the ball and someone that can get them the ball. I'm just not sold that Lilliard can do that
 
The Thriller said:
Personally, I don't understand why we need a Stockton PG right now.

Why not a good shooter? For one, we need a shooter. Secondly, the NBA has changed to a more scoring type PG.... And thirdly, Burks and Hayward can create. In fact, I want to see more time and spaced dedicated to their ability to create. What's wrong with using Burks/Hayward as Ginobli/Harden in pick and rolls with our bigs?

I understand we couldn't do this when Keefe and Bruss were our SF/SGs.

But Burks and Hayward are great athletes and thrive when the ball is in their hands. They're not catch and shoot players. That's not their strength.

If anything, we need a PG who can nail the shots that Hayward/Burks create. I'm not sold in Hayward's or Burks nailing wide open shots created by PGs. They're better off creating, driving, and getting to the FT line rather than playing as Korver or Matt Bonner waiting to receive a pass.

So play to the strengths of our team. Get a PG that can shoot and create (decently). Then use Burks and Hayward to create and exploit matchups. If we had a number of shooters and catch and shoot players who couldn't create then a PG like Marshall would make sense. Unfortunately, we're a team of slashers, drivers, and creators rather than shooters.

Play to the strength of our team. Get a PG that can shoot.
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Stockton could shoot, also Williams can shoot, soooo I guess we do need a Stockton type pg:D
Favors Flave said:
I agree except we have two future big men that will need the ball and someone that can get them the ball. I'm just not sold that Lilliard can do that
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This is a concern for me as well, but if Hayward and Burks can do this consistently then fine, but we should find out if they can do it and be counted on to do it every game and not just when they are playing well. If that's the way we want to go, then we need to make damn sure Lillard will be the type of scoring threat of a Rose, D-will type scorer at pg. In the end I think Favors will be great, and Hayward, and Burks will improve their shot, and we should be able to find other scorers, and shooters with the Cap space we will have in the next year or so, and coming draft picks. I'd rather get a pass first pg.
 
Favors Flave said:
I agree except we have two future big men that will need the ball and someone that can get them the ball. I'm just not sold that Lilliard can do that
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It would be nice to have someone that could distribute at the same level as Stockton but those are players that are not found frequently. With that being said, Hayward can run the pick n roll with Favors. Also, they will get plenty of touches in every game. One last thing is that Favor and Kanter in their prime will be getting about 10 ppg combined off of put backs alone.
 
orangello said:
It would be nice to have someone that could distribute at the same level as Stockton but those are players that are not found frequently. With that being said, Hayward can run the pick n roll with Favors. Also, they will get plenty of touches in every game. One last thing is that Favor and Kanter in their prime will be getting about 10 ppg combined off of put backs alone.
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Interesting. So those are almost as good as assists. In this regard, CJ could be our (unorthodox) PG of the future.
 
Favors Flave said:
I agree except we have two future big men that will need the ball and someone that can get them the ball. I'm just not sold that Lilliard can do that
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We have Burks and Hayward that can get Favors the ball. They aren't spot up shooters. They are slashers and guys who create off the dribble. In addition, Favors isn't exactly Malone in the post. He needs guys that can penetrate, beat their defender, cause defenses to suck in, and then dump it under for Favors to finish off with a dunk.

Lets look at this logically.... Our strengths? SF and SG are great at creating off the dribble and slashing. They aren't good at shooting.
Favors? Good rebounder and dunker. Developing a solid midrange jumper. Has virtually no back to the basket game.

Solution? Run the P&R with Favors. Get him dunks/midrange jumpers. Keep the SF/SG away from being spot up shooters.

Basically do EXACTLY the opposite of what Corbin has done.

With our roster as it presently stands, we need a shooter at the PG position rather than a Marshall type guy.

Lets just assume that Marshall can create ala Rondo. The Jazz offense still looks like piss because Hayward and Burks aren't spot up shooters. They'll typically clank wide open jumpers/corner 3s. However, you get a PG that can sit out and pop while Burks and Hayward create, run the P&R, slash ala Harden/Ginobli/Parker, then all of a sudden the Jazz offense looks fantastic.

Unless Hayward or Burks turn into Jeff Hornacek, I think we need to shift the focus away from dumping the ball inside to Jefferson/Millsap/Favors and watching them try and score. I think the offense needs to be more focused on getting and keeping Hayward and Burks engaged and creating. Favors can and will get his dunks from guys creating for him. Our PG needs to be a threat to shoot from the outside.

The only time I saw our offense show any life this season was when Harris finally started to knock down 3s, Burks finally got PT and created, Hayward got his butt in gear and started to ball it up, and Favors started getting dunks/dominated the boards.

The rest of the time our offense looked real stagnant. Either with watching Harris airball 3s, Hayward clank 3s, and Jefferson run out the shot clock.
 
The Thriller said:
We have Burks and Hayward that can get Favors the ball. They aren't spot up shooters. They are slashers and guys who create off the dribble. In addition, Favors isn't exactly Malone in the post. He needs guys that can penetrate, beat their defender, cause defenses to suck in, and then dump it under for Favors to finish off with a dunk.

Lets look at this logically.... Our strengths? SF and SG are great at creating off the dribble and slashing. They aren't good at shooting.
Favors? Good rebounder and dunker. Developing a solid midrange jumper. Has virtually no back to the basket game.

Solution? Run the P&R with Favors. Get him dunks/midrange jumpers. Keep the SF/SG away from being spot up shooters.

Basically do EXACTLY the opposite of what Corbin has done.

With our roster as it presently stands, we need a shooter at the PG position rather than a Marshall type guy.

Lets just assume that Marshall can create ala Rondo. The Jazz offense still looks like piss because Hayward and Burks aren't spot up shooters. They'll typically clank wide open jumpers/corner 3s. However, you get a PG that can sit out and pop while Burks and Hayward create, run the P&R, slash ala Harden/Ginobli/Parker, then all of a sudden the Jazz offense looks fantastic.

Unless Hayward or Burks turn into Jeff Hornacek, I think we need to shift the focus away from dumping the ball inside to Jefferson/Millsap/Favors and watching them try and score. I think the offense needs to be more focused on getting and keeping Hayward and Burks engaged and creating. Favors can and will get his dunks from guys creating for him. Our PG needs to be a threat to shoot from the outside.

The only time I saw our offense show any life this season was when Harris finally started to knock down 3s, Burks finally got PT and created, Hayward got his butt in gear and started to ball it up, and Favors started getting dunks/dominated the boards.

The rest of the time our offense looked real stagnant. Either with watching Harris airball 3s, Hayward clank 3s, and Jefferson run out the shot clock.
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I don't know how you find the energy to still do these long posts.. I used to do them but now just can't be bothered. LOL. It's also weird how I always agree with your conclusions.

Rep'd.
 
The Thriller said:
We have Burks and Hayward that can get Favors the ball. They aren't spot up shooters. They are slashers and guys who create off the dribble. In addition, Favors isn't exactly Malone in the post. He needs guys that can penetrate, beat their defender, cause defenses to suck in, and then dump it under for Favors to finish off with a dunk.

Lets look at this logically.... Our strengths? SF and SG are great at creating off the dribble and slashing. They aren't good at shooting.
Favors? Good rebounder and dunker. Developing a solid midrange jumper. Has virtually no back to the basket game.

Solution? Run the P&R with Favors. Get him dunks/midrange jumpers. Keep the SF/SG away from being spot up shooters.

Basically do EXACTLY the opposite of what Corbin has done.

With our roster as it presently stands, we need a shooter at the PG position rather than a Marshall type guy.

Lets just assume that Marshall can create ala Rondo. The Jazz offense still looks like piss because Hayward and Burks aren't spot up shooters. They'll typically clank wide open jumpers/corner 3s. However, you get a PG that can sit out and pop while Burks and Hayward create, run the P&R, slash ala Harden/Ginobli/Parker, then all of a sudden the Jazz offense looks fantastic.

Unless Hayward or Burks turn into Jeff Hornacek, I think we need to shift the focus away from dumping the ball inside to Jefferson/Millsap/Favors and watching them try and score. I think the offense needs to be more focused on getting and keeping Hayward and Burks engaged and creating. Favors can and will get his dunks from guys creating for him. Our PG needs to be a threat to shoot from the outside.

The only time I saw our offense show any life this season was when Harris finally started to knock down 3s, Burks finally got PT and created, Hayward got his butt in gear and started to ball it up, and Favors started getting dunks/dominated the boards.

The rest of the time our offense looked real stagnant. Either with watching Harris airball 3s, Hayward clank 3s, and Jefferson run out the shot clock.
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I agree, but if you don't think Favors post moves didn't improve at the end of the year you are crazy! He showed a couple hooks and step through's and some spin moves as well. However, I think you've convinced me of getting a shooting PG(Like Parker/Westbrook)
 
Favors Flave said:
I agree, but if you don't think Favors post moves didn't improve at the end of the year you are crazy! He showed a couple hooks and step through's and some spin moves as well. However, I think you've convinced me of getting a shooting PG(Like Parker/Westbrook)
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Thanks.

Watching playoff basketball has helped me come to these conclusions.

There's no way in hell Pop would have developed on offense predicated on getting Jefferson the ball EVERY SINGLE TIME down the court while guys like Ginobli and Parker stood around on the perimeter waiting to nail 3s.

The way OKC runs its offense is pretty damn simple. KD, Westbrook, and Harden... Especially Harden... Run the P&R and create baby create!

Even Miami uses Bosh (a capable big man) as a decoy 99 % of the time.

Watching us airball wide open jumper after wide open jumper showed that we just aren't a good jumpshooting team. Yes, we can improve via experience, draft, FA, etc.... But really, why not utilize the talent we already have? We gotta play to our strengths. Hayward and Burks aren't spot up shooters. They aren't Korver. They are very good at creating. Use'em.

This is something I really will be interested in this next season. Will Corbin finally take the reigns off Hayward and let him create ala Harden/Ginobli? Will Corbin start Burks and give him some freedom? I think these questions are just as important as anything else. What good does it do to start Favors if we still aren't involving Hayward and Burks in the offense?

I also think letting Burks and Hayward create will help us drastically at the FT line. It seemed like we never got FT shots. Probably because our best athletes (and worst shooters) were too busy spotting up waiting for the pass (which hardly ever came. When it did it was typically at the end of the shot clock and Al just threw it outside out of desperation). We can control the tempo of games, get to the FT line, and maybe even get the opponent in foul trouble if we finally let Hayward and Burks control the offense rather than Jefferson (who just isn't effective or athletic enough to consistently control defenses).
 
The Thriller said:
We have Burks and Hayward that can get Favors the ball. They aren't spot up shooters. They are slashers and guys who create off the dribble. In addition, Favors isn't exactly Malone in the post. He needs guys that can penetrate, beat their defender, cause defenses to suck in, and then dump it under for Favors to finish off with a dunk.

Lets look at this logically.... Our strengths? SF and SG are great at creating off the dribble and slashing. They aren't good at shooting.
Favors? Good rebounder and dunker. Developing a solid midrange jumper. Has virtually no back to the basket game.

Solution? Run the P&R with Favors. Get him dunks/midrange jumpers. Keep the SF/SG away from being spot up shooters.

Basically do EXACTLY the opposite of what Corbin has done.

With our roster as it presently stands, we need a shooter at the PG position rather than a Marshall type guy.

Lets just assume that Marshall can create ala Rondo. The Jazz offense still looks like piss because Hayward and Burks aren't spot up shooters. They'll typically clank wide open jumpers/corner 3s. However, you get a PG that can sit out and pop while Burks and Hayward create, run the P&R, slash ala Harden/Ginobli/Parker, then all of a sudden the Jazz offense looks fantastic.

Unless Hayward or Burks turn into Jeff Hornacek, I think we need to shift the focus away from dumping the ball inside to Jefferson/Millsap/Favors and watching them try and score. I think the offense needs to be more focused on getting and keeping Hayward and Burks engaged and creating. Favors can and will get his dunks from guys creating for him. Our PG needs to be a threat to shoot from the outside.

The only time I saw our offense show any life this season was when Harris finally started to knock down 3s, Burks finally got PT and created, Hayward got his butt in gear and started to ball it up, and Favors started getting dunks/dominated the boards.

The rest of the time our offense looked real stagnant. Either with watching Harris airball 3s, Hayward clank 3s, and Jefferson run out the shot clock.
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I have a hard time agreeing with a lot of the posts you make. But this is right on IMO. Rep'd for this one
 
Agree. Thriller nailed it.

Whether Lillard is that PG remains to be seen, but I'm hopeful.

A question: what do you think the odds of Portland picking Lillard at #6 are? They're in the driver's seat if they want him. If he gets past them at 6, I think we have a fighting chance if KOC wants him. But Portland sure needs a PG.
 
idiot said:
Agree. Thriller nailed it.

Whether Lillard is that PG remains to be seen, but I'm hopeful.

A question: what do you think the odds of Portland picking Lillard at #6 are? They're in the driver's seat if they want him. If he gets past them at 6, I think we have a fighting chance if KOC wants him. But Portland sure needs a PG.
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Would they do a Harris and Millsap and filler for the #6 pick?
 
Favors Flave said:
Would they do a Harris and Millsap and filler for the #6 pick?
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I'd guess they want to go younger -- more in Aldridge/Batum/Matthews's age range, if not a draft pick. Also, as much as I'm hopeful about Lillard's future, I have to wonder what our limits are. Is #6 too high for KOC to be chasing after him?
 
idiot said:
I'd guess they want to go younger -- more in Aldridge/Batum/Matthews's age range, if not a draft pick. Also, as much as I'm hopeful about Lillard's future, I have to wonder what our limits are. Is #6 too high for KOC to be chasing after him?
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At this point I'd go Millsap + Burks for Lillard.













Yes you can call me an idiot, but I'd still make that deal for the balance of our team.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
At this point I'd go Millsap + Burks for Lillard.
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Don't know if I would, but I see where you're going with this.

Portland's chief building blocks right now are Aldridge, Batum (intending to re-sign him), and Matthews, with a fairly big gap between Batum and Matthews, I think, for them. (If I've missed anyone, please correct me). I think they're willing to trade Matthews if something better comes along, or even move him back to being a backup. I'm not sure they'd consider Burks to be a huge improvement, however. And I'm not sure why, if they're trying to rebuild that they'd go after Millsap who plays Aldridge's position. Made more sense to go after him when they tried to sign him earlier (when they were still a strong, deep team).
 
orangello said:
You are an idiot. Of we got #6 and #11 for that package then I might consider it.
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Let's see.. Burks was picked #12 of last year's crap draft. In this year's loaded draft he might be lucky to get picked before #20.

Millsap, as good as we think he is, is still an undersized PF whose contract will expire next year.
 
idiot said:
Don't know if I would, but I see where you're going with this.

Portland's chief building blocks right now are Aldridge, Batum (intending to re-sign him), and Matthews, with a fairly big gap between Batum and Matthews, I think, for them. (If I've missed anyone, please correct me). I think they're willing to trade Matthews if something better comes along, or even move him back to being a backup. I'm not sure they'd consider Burks to be a huge improvement, however. And I'm not sure why, if they're trying to rebuild that they'd go after Millsap who plays Aldridge's position. Made more sense to go after him when they tried to sign him earlier (when they were still a strong, deep team).
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I guess I'm thinking if they wanted Millsap last time around (he signed an offer sheet with them) that means they're willing to start Aldridge at C and Millsap at PF.

Get your point about Burks, but it was just something I'd be willing to throw in to sweeten the deal. May be they can flip him for something else later on.
 
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