I am trying to think of a time that negativity didn't reign supreme in American Politics and Government. IMO there are two news factions emerging. The miminal government- free market faction and the government control mandate faction. Members of both the Republican and Demcracts fall on both sides. In time I believe a new Tea Partyesque political party will emerge.
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I am trying to think of a time that negativity didn't reign supreme in American Politics and Government. IMO there are two news factions emerging. The miminal government- free market faction and the government control mandate faction. Members of both the Republican and Demcracts fall on both sides. In time I believe a new Tea Partyesque political party will emerge.
trigg3r
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Whoa Whoa Whoa..... You better mellow out comrade. You wouldn't want me to copy and paste your response and send it off to DHS for review....
Both the Republicans and the Democrats will ensure that no other viable third party ever arises. Revolution (I am in no way advocating or calling for it) will happen before a viable third party arises.
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What's the difference between the tea party and "the minimal-government-free market faction"?
I believe they are one and the same...
If you were going to buy it anyway, how does this law force you to send more money to the insurers?
I do. I see this as a step on the path to something that I think would be the best model for the USA: something akin to the German model. I think the single-payer system used in Engloand and Canada is not workable in the culture of the USA. We believe too strongly in competition, and distrust the running of things by the government too much. It's a bad fit to have the government directly control the provision of care. On the other hand, Germans have the government pay health insurance companies for their health care, and health insurance companies compete for the business of the German citizenry. The health companies even get a bonus for those with chronic conditions, making them more desirable to health insurance companies than healthy citizens. If a citizen thinks the insurer is treating them badly, they can take their business to another company.
I don't like that the currentl system still relies heavily on employer-subsidized care. I think if you take that burden off employers, everyone will benefit. However, I think that, in the USA, there are advantages to keeping health insurance companies, and I firmly believe in doing what, as far as I can tell, will work best for the USA.
Whoa Whoa Whoa..... You better mellow out comrade. You wouldn't want me to copy and paste your response and send it off to DHS for review....
Way to hold true to your ideals by selling out your fellow American.
The Tea Party, in practice, is very big on legislating abortion, marriage, etc.
As long as the tea party likes what you are doing. See abortion and gay marriage for examples.
Former Member
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Gotcha. I wasn't considering the social issues of abortion and marriage. However, I wonder if a legit third party that is focused on free market principles can emerge as long as the Tea Party is around?
Look at that...Brow finally said something that was not ignorant.
That is the thing with freedom. Sometimes people will use it for things I personally do not approve of. Just becasue i disagree does not mean I should take away their freedom.
The Libertarians have been tryong for years.
Former Member
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You mean Montana?
Hahaha. The mountain west has a large quantity of libertarians. Lots in Idaho, Utah, Arizona, Wyoming, rural Nevada...
mellow
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Whoa Whoa Whoa..... You better mellow out comrade. You wouldn't want me to copy and paste your response and send it off to DHS for review....
Well if it wasn't before my post was certainly flagged now. So let me be clear, I do NOT advocate violence as a means of protest against law or society. I was only suggesting that violence will not work and proposed another course of action may be to ignore the left v. right, red v. blue, Rep. v. Dem, Fox v. CNN fights and start talking to one another. We may discover that we all have more that unites us than divides us. I thnk I better go back to the Jazz forum and talk about the draft.
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I know. I've lived in the region my whole life. The people, for the most part, appreciate open spaces and minimal interference from the government. It's just that Montana is known as the "mecca" of libertarians.
I know. I've lived in the region my whole life. The people, for the most part, appreciate open spaces and minimal interference from the government. It's just that Montana is known as the "mecca" of libertarians.
I figured you knew.
The Thriller
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We've been paying for each other's HC for a long time now.
The difference now is that (hopefully) everyone will have coverage, folks won't be denied because of pre-existing conditions, and that our society will focus to more preventative health care rather than the more expensive (treatment).
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I figured you knew that I knew. I just wanted to up my post count a bit.
That never happens around here...
@ Thriller - There are some good things in that bill. No pre-existing conditions, being able to cover kids till they are 26 (?). I just did not like that we are "forced" to buy insurance.
The Thriller
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I don't like that the Jazz don't have a 1st round pick.
We're better off being "forced" to buy insurance. It helps control costs and insures that everyone can get the HC that they need. The Individual Mandate was probably about the last good idea that repubs had. Since then they've gone off the deep end of far rightness wackiness with endless wars, demands to privatize SS, anti-climate change/science movement, mindless tax cuts, and defense of wall street/banks/richies at all costs. That tea party stunt to run our country off a cliff and downgrade our credit rating said a lot IMO. they set a new low in politics IMO...