Massive Shooting in Aurora (CO) Theater

[DutchJazzer]

I honestly believe that if the government ever tries to round up all the guns and remov e them from gun owners it woudl result in armed insurrection at the least. I know many people that would refuse to hand over their weapons. I can see a couple of them fighting to keep them. Once that starts happening more and more would join in their defense.

than the united states would be split in 2 countries
the united states of *******, who are afraid of guns and thinks that guns kill people.

and the united armed state.

after 40 years orso the united states of ******* will have completely demolished all guns, their army and cops walk around with pink nerfed night sticks.
so then the united armed states attacks the united states of *****, conquering all territories with relative ease.
naming their new unified country : The United States of america

 

[Nate505]

body armor doesnt make him iron man .
but he wasnt stupid enough to try this in texas for example

Yeah, like Colorado isn't a concealed carry state or there aren't a ton of people with guns here.

Or apparently in Texas everyone who is watching midnight movie showings are packing.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Yeah, like Colorado isn't a concealed carry state or there aren't a ton of people with guns here.

so no one in the theather wher epacking?
was it full of comic book nerds than who think lightsabers are the ultimate weapon?

Speaking of lightsabers. i dont get them, why would you fight with a glorified sword when there are lasers and explosives.
never understood lightsabers. always reminds me of this scene
someone should photoshop(videoshop a ligt saber instead of that sword)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anEuw8F8cpE

 

[DutchJazzer]

lol already been done
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Ja1eJQTtg

 

[Duck Rodgers]

than the united states would be split in 2 countries
the united states of *******, who are afraid of guns and thinks that guns kill people.

and the united armed state.

after 40 years orso the united states of ******* will have completely demolished all guns, their army and cops walk around with pink nerfed night sticks.
so then the united armed states attacks the united states of *****, conquering all territories with relative ease.
naming their new unified country : The United States of america

I don't know, that sounds like a lot of work to end up back in the same spot.

 

[JimLes]

how do they get it where guns are illegal.

Shockingly, from places where it's legal.

And no, the drug parallel doesn't really work. Drugs are easier to grow and make than assault rifles. I know that at least one guy in my HS had a small growup. I've never heard of a HS student who made his own AK47 and shot up his school.

 

[freakazoid]

If you believe the demand for drugs is at about the same level as the demand for assault rifles, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

That's kind of a silly thing to say, since it's completely beside the point. One is illegal and one is not. Our government hasn't been able to control the one that's illegal, so I see no reason to believe that outlawing the other one would be any different. When you create a black market for something, there are always going to be people trying to profit from it, whether it's drugs or guns or the gall bladder from a bear.

And no, the drug parallel doesn't really work. Drugs are easier to grow and make than assault rifles. I know that at least one guy in my HS had a small growup. I've never heard of a HS student who made his own AK47 and shot up his school.

Guns don't get used up with one use like drugs, so that argument doesn't hold water. The guns are already made, and any attempt to try and get rid of those, would only result in taking guns out of the hands of those who follow the law. Also, you could stop the manufacture of more guns in this country, but you can't stop other countries from making them, and then, just like with drugs, you can't stop them from coming into the country illegally.

Realistically, any attempt to get rid of the guns that are already in existence here, would just result in having them replaced by guns coming into the country illegally. This country is pretty much already flooded with guns.

Guns are illegal in Mexico. You should ask them how they're having so much success with controlling them. It's probably because the high school kids aren't able to make them.

 

[JimLes]

Realistically, any attempt to get rid of the guns that are already in existence here, would just result in having them replaced by guns coming into the country illegally. This country is pretty much already flooded with guns.

That's a whole other issue. My point is that if there was enough of an interest on the part of the government to severely decrease the number of guns in the country, they could.

Guns are illegal in Mexico. You should ask them how they're having so much success with controlling them. It's probably because the high school kids aren't able to make them.

Article 10: The inhabitants of the United Mexican States have a right to arms in their homes, for security and legitimate defense, with the exception of arms prohibited by federal law and those reserved for the exclusive use of the Army, Navy, Air Force and National Guard. Federal law will determine the cases, conditions, requirements, and places in which the carrying of arms will be authorized to the inhabitants.

Guns are most certainly legal in Mexico.

 

[DutchJazzer]

that's a whole other issue. My point is that if there was enough of an interest on the part of the people to acquire guns, they could.

fixed

 

[Scat]

Apparently the assault rifle jammed otherwise this would have been much, much worse.

 

[asian_roger]

Let's say someone was packing. The killer was wearing body armor and seemed pretty prepared. So I guess we can say that at least a shootout in a dark theater would delay a few deaths? Create a hostage situation? or something. I guess its better than nothing, but imagine if the entire audience was packing. In my opinion, gun control would just open a larger black market, so the wrong people will end up getting power and blast everyone else away. Imagine a situation where everyone is walking around with a loaded gun, would people be nicer or would there be cowboy standoffs randomly all over the place?

Assuming you are just with a group of dudes and sat at the top in a typical modern movie theater with split entrances, would you jump over the walls on the sides to run outside the door? (this can possibly break your legs, but allows other people to escape the opposite way if the killer decides to chase you) I can't imagine the horror in that room!

 

[Stoked]

I will be packing very shortly. I'd get away if given the chance.

However how would I be able to live with myself if I had the ability to do something and I didn't and a little kid was killed. I'd never be able to look at myself again.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I will be packing very shortly. I'd get away if given the chance.

However how would I be able to live with myself if I had the ability to do something and I didn't and a little kid was killed. I'd never be able to look at myself again.

Do what? Rush at him while he has an AK and two other guns? No one could have done anything, unless a group of people decided to bum rush him, which would be certain suicide for many. Even if a group was somehow able to coordinate that, it would have been incredibly difficult in a movie theater because you can't rush anyone because of how the theater is divided into rows, meaning you can't all out rush him without being in a single file line. Doing so would probably just have raised the death count.

I would have laid my *** flat on the floor and not moved an inch. Cowardly, yes. Smart, hell yes. The guy was probably gunning down people that moved and probably just shot random bullets into the crowd (which probably attributed to most of the injuries).

Unless you have cat like reflexes you probably wouldn't have been able to make the jump, and run away to safety without being shot (even without considering possible injuries from the fall alone).

 

[vj_74]

If banning guns reduced the frequency of these mass shootings by 10%, would you support it then? 25%? Any number? Because mamny coutries have not experience a repeat of mass shootings after tightening gun laws.

Right. I might be wrong as I am recalling this from memory, will have to google it up sometime, but I think it was Australia(?) which had a worse shooting incident sometime in mid-90s and they tightened their laws, rounded up the guns and did all that and never had a incident like that again. At the very least you can argue that the numbers can come down by some significant percentage. Its not about blind banning of all guns, but just make it difficult to acquire one, to the point where someone buying as much as Holmes did would have attracted a lot of attention from the authorities rightaway.
In the meanwhile crackdown on the illegal arms trade. Now sit back and evaluate how much this brings the shootings down after a couple of years or so.

It is only in the US where pro-NRA freaks give all sorts of excuses to hold onto their guns. The Wild West culture will take a while to get righted I guess. They may even argue that all high school kids should carry guns to their schools so that they can self-defend in case something like Columbine happens. Heck, while you are at it carry them to the Energysolutions Arena as well, you never know when Artest is going to come up the stands and beat you up.

 

[vj_74]

However how would I be able to live with myself if I had the ability to do something and I didn't and a little kid was killed. I'd never be able to look at myself again.

You'll do just fine. You'd console yourself thinking that in the end you had to put premium on your own life. You'd be even happy that you were able to go back to your family at the end of the day and you didnt let them down for the rest of their lives. He was wearing a bullet-proof vest after all. You wouldnt have known that if you had attempted to pull your pistol on him and he just laughed and shot your sorry *** down. Common sense prevails over perceived cowardice all the time. If you knew that you were going to die anyway(or the odds were high) and tried to do something about it(like those passengers on the 9/11 United flight) thats a different thing. But here you just get your behind down on the floor, stay still, and pray.

 

[Stoked]

Man you have got to love how nothing is truly read on jazzfanz. Just over reaction and blowing things way past what you said. Also like how everyone knows how everyone else will act and think in any scenario


We have some ****ing Einsteins on here.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Man you have got to love how nothing is truly read on jazzfanz. Just over reaction and blowing things way past what you said. Also like how everyone knows how everyone else will act and think in any scenario


We have some ****ing Einsteins on here.

Kind of like this post?

 

[The Thriller]

I'm pretty certain that most pro-gun nutcakes have never used a gun. It's pretty hard to nail a moving object, especially with a handgun. I use guns, know how difficult it is, and laugh at what some of you have written. Compound this by a dark movie theater, your own panic, and the panic of others. It's not like in the movies where all ya do is calmly whip the thing out and aim and you mow down 100 bad guys in 2 seconds like Bourne or Tom Cruise or Avengers.

If there had been just 10 people packing handguns in those movie theaters, I can almost guarantee the body count would be far greater. People would have been bumping into you, your hand would be shaking, you'd be moving, the target would be moving, people would be getting into your line of sight, pieces of the human beings and the theater would be blowing onto your face.

On top of that, the guy had body armor. So your shots (had they even connected, probably wouldn't have hurt him). And by the time you would have hurt him, 10 other people would have been wounded by your shooting.

A movie theater is a horrible place for a gunfight. There are only two stairways and a ton of people to get in your line of sight. Had you charged the shooter, he would have quickly mowed you down (his guns were pretty damn lethal.). Had you jumped to one of the sides, you probably would have broken you leg and taken you out of the game right there. You couldn't sit behind a seat and have a shootout with the guy since it was a packed house and people were running to get away.

Literally, the only option would have been to lay as close to the ground as possible and try and ride it out.

 

[Stoked]

To none of us gun owners know anything about them. We use them a paperweights. Good catch thriller

 

[The Thriller]

I honestly believe that if the government ever tries to round up all the guns and remov e them from gun owners it woudl result in armed insurrection at the least. I know many people that would refuse to hand over their weapons. I can see a couple of them fighting to keep them. Once that starts happening more and more would join in their defense.

At the least huh? So what's more than an armed insurrection? A Photon Torpedo Armed Insurrection? A nuclear armed insurrection? Would these rebels insert red matter into the core of the earth to create a black hole?

I will be packing very shortly. I'd get away if given the chance.

However how would I be able to live with myself if I had the ability to do something and I didn't and a little kid was killed. I'd never be able to look at myself again.

Right.

Man you have got to love how nothing is truly read on jazzfanz. Just over reaction and blowing things way past what you said. Also like how everyone knows how everyone else will act and think in any scenario


We have some ****ing Einsteins on here.

Those are Stokie's posts from just the last 2 pages. Great for comical relief however, never very good at intellectual honesty. Pot meet kettle.