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Should Mitt release his tax returns?

This is the kind of stuff that drives people crazy against Mitt...

https://www.newser.com/story/151630/romneys-new-target-obamas-welfare-waivers.html

Mitt Romney is opening up a new front in the war for the White House. A new ad accuses President Obama of overhauling Bill Clinton's welfare reform, resulting in a program that doesn't require recipients to work. "Under Obama's plan, you wouldn't have to work and wouldn't have to train for a job. They just send you your welfare check," the ad says. Thus, "welfare to work goes back to being plain old welfare."

The Obama plan would allow states to seek waivers from current work rules via the health and human services secretary. Those waivers would give states more control over the means of getting people working
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In 2005, then Gov. Romney signed a letter requesting more state input and flexibility into the welfare/work program. Exactly what the POTUS is proposing now.
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Again, in order to score political points with his radical right, he's flip flopping and going against something he was for just a few years ago.

The transformation of Mr. Romney is just incredible. He was a liberal, in order to become elected as gov. Last election he campaigned as a moderate. Now he's a tea party nutcake.

Does he have any solid beliefs? What is his philosophy (other than to do and say anything to become elected???)

A cute lil list of Romney flip flops:

https://www.businessinsider.com/14-...s-that-were-dug-up-by-john-mccain-2012-1?op=1
 
The Thriller said:
This is the kind of stuff that drives people crazy against Mitt...

https://www.newser.com/story/151630/romneys-new-target-obamas-welfare-waivers.html



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Again, in order to score political points with his radical right, he's flip flopping and going against something he was for just a few years ago.

The transformation of Mr. Romney is just incredible. He was a liberal, in order to become elected as gov. Last election he campaigned as a moderate. Now he's a tea party nutcake.

Does he have any solid beliefs? What is his philosophy (other than to do and say anything to become elected???)

A cute lil list of Romney flip flops:

https://www.businessinsider.com/14-...s-that-were-dug-up-by-john-mccain-2012-1?op=1
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Just curious Thriller. You appear to be left of center politically, yet your Avatar is notoriously right-wing Chuck Norris. Care to comment?
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Just curious Thriller. You appear to be left of center politically, yet your Avatar is notoriously right-wing Chuck Norris. Care to comment?
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I'm a Maverick. A Tru American. And when you're living right, magic happens.

chuck norris kicks butt. He might not know a thing about politics. But he knows plenty in the art of domination.
 
franklin said:
Good. The system requires carrying the base and then moving to center. I'm glad Romney tricked them into a nomination. Who wants a loonie in the White House? :)
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One Brow, Thriller and Jimmy. Possibly Salty, I hope he can be saved though.
 
franklin said:
Good. The system requires carrying the base and then moving to center. I'm glad Romney tricked them into a nomination. Who wants a loonie in the White House? :)
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In other words, conservatives admit that Romney is untrustworthy, merely played the crowd in order to get the nomination, and they're expecting him to do exactly the opposite of what he said he was going to do? Awesome.

It's nice to see a bit of honesty here. It's also fascinating to see the lack of credibility Romney has and the lack of confidence conservatives have in him.

I guess the main/only reason why conservative folks would vote for him is because they don't want to vote for Obama.

My how we've lost our way.

Do we even know what we're for anymore? Or do we only know what we're against?

It would be interesting to see what would happen to the GOP if most conservatives/repubs stayed at home this election because they admit that their party's nomination was a junk candidate.
Perhaps then the GOP will FINALLY reanalyze itself?

I had thought they would after the Bush abortion and the laughable McCain/Palin ticket that was destroyed. Yet... I haven't seen much if any change from the GOP. They still feel intent on pursuing those disastrous (Bush) policies that got us here in the first place. Wars, endless defense spending, unsustainable tax cuts, privatization of vital social services, deregulation in our most sensitive sectors (who need to be regulated the most), attacks on races, religion (especially Islam), classes, government, education, and environment....
 
Stoked said:
One Brow, Thriller and Jimmy. Possibly Salty, I hope he can be saved though.
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Nice contribution to the thread.

It's funny how once Salty was kicking your *** you disappeared for a few days. Now all of a sudden you reappear to submit a worthless post. Nice job, dumbass.

Of course, you won't see nor respond to this post because you have me on your ignore list, right?
 
The Thriller said:
Perhaps then the GOP will FINALLY reanalyze itself?

I had thought they would after the Bush abortion and the laughable McCain/Palin ticket that was destroyed. Yet... I haven't seen much if any change from the GOP. They still feel intent on pursuing those disastrous (Bush) policies that got us here in the first place. Wars, endless defense spending, unsustainable tax cuts, privatization of vital social services, deregulation in our most sensitive sectors (who need to be regulated the most), attacks on races, religion (especially Islam), classes, government, education, and environment....
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Don't forget catastrophic economic meltdowns every 5 or 10 years.
 
NAOS said:
The reason people who earn more should pay more comes back to the very fundamental principle that you DON'T EARN SIMPLY BY FIGHTING, WILLING, AND CLAWING YOUR WAY TO THE TOP. You earn more by extracting more, by mobilizing more of the common area/goods. By doing that you NECESSARILY create more expenses and debts than less extractive or "productive" people.... so you pay more back.

Look up the history of "enclosure" for some perspective. Capitalism started by fencing off common grounds (where people could be productive without going to "the market") and forcing people into factories. Meanwhile, those common grounds were completely altered in order to be PRODUCTIVE FOR the capitalist regime of labor, and, therefore, those areas were no longer producing for the common good (and in many instances, they have become exhausted of value for human use).

This is only a debate if you don't know history.
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You have this backwards.
Having private property rights helps prevent the tragedy of the commons because each owner has incentive to act as a steward, caring for the underlying resource and preventing its overuse, both for themselves, and others who may value the underlying resource.
The tragedy of the commons is why socialism/communism doesn't work.
 
PearlWatson said:
You have this backwards.
Note the Tragedy of the Commons and why socialism/communism doesn't work.
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I though the Tragedy of the Commons described the result of an unregulated market on a limited resource with no proper owner. What type of socialism are you talking about?
 
Both sides could be true, it is not one or the other.
I assume NAOS is referring to something that really happened, since he is referencing "history".
In America, since the West was too big to fence off, we just killed off all the buffalo, similar result.
 
PearlWatson said:
You have this backwards.
Having private property rights helps prevent the tragedy of the commons because each owner has incentive to act as a steward, caring for the underlying resource and preventing its overuse, both for themselves, and others who may value the underlying resource.
The tragedy of the commons is why socialism/communism doesn't work.
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cute.





I guess history started when capitalism and socialism went head-to-head.
 
.... and what on earth did the Earth do before we were its Stewards?!?

(idiot peanut gallery says: WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN ITS STEWARDS!!!)
 
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