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What happens if there is a correction made to the ID, but not the voter rolls? Would such people be allowed to vote?
 
One Brow said:
What happens if there is a correction made to the ID, but not the voter rolls? Would such people be allowed to vote?
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Because the thousands of problems that you choose to ignore do not have any influence on the election this year.

That's the bottom line.

If repubs felt like these people who they're trying to exclude would be voting for Romney then they wouldn't be making an issue of this right now.
 
The Thriller said:
Because the thousands of problems that you choose to ignore do not have any influence on the election this year.

That's the bottom line.

If repubs felt like these people who they're trying to exclude would be voting for Romney then they wouldn't be making an issue of this right now.
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I believe that is true and I am not in favor of change, for this election, for that reason .. not fair to make changes that quickly.
 
PKM said:
I believe that is true and I am not in favor of change, for this election, for that reason .. not fair to make changes that quickly.
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I saw what you quoted of the Thriller. Wow, just wow.
 
PKM said:
I have ackowledged that in other posts. No, I don't need to get it out of my head. The reason? Because I think it's a valid concern regarding voting integrity, something all Americans should take some measure of pride in. I get that some people choose not to have an ID. My suggestion is to give those people more than adequate time to get one if they want to vote. Fast forward 5 years ... still haven't gotten one? Tough.

I'm not referring to those without an I.D. right now .. but rather those that had years to get one but didn't.
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So your vision for America is, "Land of the free, as long as you choose to live exactly like me." Got it.

In my vision for America people are free to choose how they want to live (as long as they aren't hurting anyone else) and they don't have to give up any of their own freedoms or rights in the process.
 
PKM said:
U must have ignored every post where I said it may not be fair to fix it for THiS election, do it for the next and give everyone 5+ years to be ready? That's okay, I'm not mad.
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No I saw that. I respect that you are for giving time. I just want you to acknowledge why this is being done now.
 
Stoked said:
YOU need to get it out of your head that millions cannot get a governemt ID. I'd say more do not have one due to not having a need for one than an inability to have one. If they had a need the vast majority would get one. For example people need ID if they get a government benefit such as Unemployment Compensation or Social Security. Alot of them do not have cars so they do not have a drivers license. So what do they have? A passport, state ID, medicaid card or other acceptable form of ID depending on the rules of the agency they are dealing with.

Now granted there are always exceptions (such as you example of an elderly individual with no ID and no BC to get one) but allwoances and exceptions sold be made to get that person an ID. Have these laws take effect in 2016 and get people ready to vote.
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I'm not big on taking away personal freedoms or putting fine print on constitutional rights. Whether they CAN get an id or not is only part of it. They should not be FORCED to get an id if they don't want one.
 
PKM said:
You are too funny. How is asking for voting integrity, and giving everyone an insane amount of time to get an ID, being a conniving psychopath?

Wait .. you don't have an ID, do you?
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Right, because making it difficult or impossible to vote for millions of people will surely guarantee some integrity in the election...
 
Stoked said:
So you will ignore a problem? Also no one has been talking about ways to improve voting. Personally I think it is an embarrasement that so few people actually vote. I honestly think part of the problem is that is is set up thru the electoral college the way it is.

For example, someone voting for Obama in the state of Utah. What's the point? That is as meaningful as someone voting for Romney in Washington DC.

Make it based on popular vote. That way every vote actually carries the same weight. Ensure to integrity of that process by ensuring that the proper people (the US citizen matching the name on the vote cast) vote by requiring a photo ID. It does not have to be immediate as PKM brought up.
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These are all valid points Stoked. Didn't Al Gore win the popular vote in 2000? I think it's something we need to seriously debate.

Are you willing to admit why the Republicans are pushing this Voter ID thing through now? Are you not upset by this?
Please tell me you are against this being done for these reasons.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Right, because making it difficult or impossible to vote for millions of people will surely guarantee some integrity in the election...
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You keep throwing around the number "millions". Do you have any proof to back that up?
 
Revolution 9 said:
These are all valid points Stoked. Didn't Al Gore win the popular vote in 2000? I think it's something we need to seriously debate.

Are you willing to admit why the Republicans are pushing this Voter ID thing through now? Are you not upset by this?
Please tell me you are against this being done for these reasons.
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By republicans do you mean the politicians or the average right leaning joe on the street?

If by politicos than yes, absolutely. If by the average right leaning guy on the street no.
 
Revolution 9 said:
These are all valid points Stoked. Didn't Al Gore win the popular vote in 2000? I think it's something we need to seriously debate.

Are you willing to admit why the Republicans are pushing this Voter ID thing through now? Are you not upset by this?
Please tell me you are against this being done for these reasons.
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I believe he did so I think he should have been president. I think he would have been horrible but that is obviously what the most people wanted.
 
SaltyDawg said:
I'm not big on taking away personal freedoms or putting fine print on constitutional rights. Whether they CAN get an id or not is only part of it. They should not be FORCED to get an id if they don't want one.
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It does seem amusing that republicans often talk about the government forcing them to do things.

If the Democrats were requiring something like this from them you know a lot of them would be crying foul.
 
Stoked said:
What exactly are you trying to say?

That the roughly 100 million people that chose not vote were oppressed by the right?
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Yes, definitely by the right. Certainly not by the nightstick-wielding Black Panther thugs that blocked whites from voting in Philadelphia. I wonder if valid ID's would have worked in this case? Seriously, if the polls can't even be kept safe in this country, we're heading down the path of Latin America, the Middle East and Africa.


I don't see what's wrong with requiring ID. You have to provide proof for everything else you do: cash a check, make a credit card purchase, get a library card. Who doesn't have an ID? Probably just the people who are prohibited by law from voting (i.e. non-citizens). This country has always had voter fraud. What was the slogan back in Chicago: "vote early, vote often?" I'm amazed that ID's are not required to vote.

But who really cares? Thanks to the outdated electoral college model, most presidential elections come down to a few key states. Individual votes in places like CA, UT, etc. don't matter since those states are so heavily slanted to one party.
 
More people would vote if we had representation for minority interests.
I'll bet a third of the country thinks both the Republicans and the Democrats do not represent their interests, maybe more.

Give us proportional representation of 3rd parties, (or get rid parties altogether)
Give us a say in the congressmen from the other 49 states that will make all the rules.
Give us a popular vote for Pres.
Nix the gerrymandering.
Nix the Fed, it does not represent the interests of people.
Fix the supreme court.
Nix the lobbyists.
Get corporations out of politics.

For starters.
 
Revolution 9 said:
He would have been worse than Bush? Tell me you aren't that far right my friend.
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I did not intentionally mean to make that connection. Just think that Gore would have been bad as well

I am actually middle of the road on alot of issues. I cannot be called right on gay marriage, abortion, immigration...I'm not perfect and we all have biases of one kind or another but I really do try to take a sensible approach.
 
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