Looks like the "vaccine argument" just got a little more interesting.

[Stoked]

Yep, and that's what any board certified doctor would say to the other board certified doctor that practices alternative medicine.

Doesn't mean that she is wrong.


Doesn't mean she is right , just saying...

 

[TheSilencer1313]

Doesn't mean that she is wrong.


Doesn't mean she is right , just saying...

I do like how Stoked is so objective on topics.
It's definitely refreshing.

 

[Stoked]

I do like how Stoked is so objective on topics.
It's definitely refreshing.

I am in over my head on this topic. So I just watch and slowly form my own opinion.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

I am in over my head on this topic. So I just watch and slowly form my own opinion.

Yeah I like that.
At least you don't completely dismiss someone that doesn't have the same opinion as you, like One Brow does to everyone on this board.
Regardless of topic.....

 

[Stoked]

Yeah I like that.
At least you don't completely dismiss someone that doesn't have the same opinion as you, like One Brow does to everyone on this board.Regardless of topic.....

I will be honest. I disliked One Brow initially becasue I thought he was over zealous on his charges of racism (still can be on occassion). However thru a series of steamy and exciting PMs with him I have softened my opinion of him. I judged him to early. He has things of note to say and offers a different point of view.

 

[One Brow]

Doubtful. More than likely the objective investigator would uncover pros and cons on both sides.

Of course. Medicine has side effects. Always. However, any objective investigation requires a decent measure (expected number of days, perhaps some quality of life measures, etc.). In any objective measure, vaccination wins out. You live longer, you live healthier, you present less of a danger to infect others. In any objective nvestigation, it's the winner.

As I see it, it's almost like the people YOU are trusting for your sources definitely aren't telling you the truth about the CDC.
Why else would the CDC lobby for the first steps toward mandatory vaccinations?

Preventing the outbreak of deadly diseases isn't enough?

And oh yes, I'm sure these so-called con artists get their jollies off by handing out alternative health remedies for "free".

Which of your sources does not sell products? Certainly Natural News sells quite a few.

By the way, you haven't reponded to the question on the health insurance companies. Why do they pony up money for vaccinations, if as you claim they don't work?

They are remedies, and there's many others.

Well, I showed you where the water is.

At least you don't completely dismiss someone that doesn't have the same opinion as you, like One Brow does to everyone on this board.
Regardless of topic.....

I respect PKM regarding what effects legislation might have, nor not have, on entrepreneurs. I respect Scat, Stoked, and Gameface when they say a properly holstered gun does not go off accidentally. I respect franklin on matters of economics.

I don't dismiss you on this topic because we disagree. I dismiss you because your positions are contrary to everything we know about biology, chemistry, and even physics. I dismiss you because, despite your intelligence and sincerity, you are ignorant and have been conned (or conned yourself).

 

[One Brow]

I will be honest. I disliked One Brow initially becasue I thought he was over zealous on his charges of racism (still can be on occassion). However thru a series of steamy and exciting PMs with him I have softened my opinion of him. I judged him to early. He has things of note to say and offers a different point of view.

Thank you. That's very kind of you.

 

[Stoked]

Thank you. That's very kind of you.

I do not see it as kind. I see it as more an admission that I jumped the gun and that your opinion and stance on things should not be disregarded out of hand.

I am human and therefore make mistakes and bad judgements. One area I am good at however is admitting my mistakes or apologizing when I am wrong.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

Of course. Medicine has side effects.

One thing that alternative medicine does not.

Preventing the outbreak of deadly diseases isn't enough?

Making money is the number one, and keeping you healthy provides no profit.

Which of your sources does not sell products? Certainly Natural News sells quite a few.

Actually natural news doesn't sell any products.
They advertise products made by other companies, that promote natural health.
This provides them with the funds to run a website, and provide 24/7 news coverage.

By the way, you haven't reponded to the question on the health insurance companies. Why do they pony up money for vaccinations, if as you claim they don't work?

On the contrary, they do work.
They work to reduce your bodies ability to fight off disease, therefore selling more and more over the counter and prescription drugs to fight off the very sickness that the vaccine allowed to walk all over your immune system.
Health insurance companies are well lobbied by Big Pharma.

Well, I showed you where the water is.

Uh..... ok.

I respect PKM regarding what effects legislation might have, nor not have, on entrepreneurs. I respect Scat, Stoked, and Gameface when they say a properly holstered gun does not go off accidentally. I respect franklin on matters of economics.

Yes, we all know that you respect the members on this board that hold the same opinions as yourself.
This is apparent, and not much of a surprise.
As I like/respect them all as well regarding such topics, even if I disagree.

I don't dismiss you on this topic because we disagree. I dismiss you because your positions are contrary to everything we know about biology, chemistry, and even physics. I dismiss you because, despite your intelligence and sincerity, you are ignorant and have been conned (or conned yourself).

No.
You dismiss my positions because they are contrary to everything the so-called "we" thinks they know about maybe just biology, and chemisty only as far as vaccinations, drugs, and food additives go. Physics..... not a topic here.
You seem to be the one that's conned here, considering you believe that government agencies, health insurance companies, and the pharacutical industry actually care if you're healthy or not.

 

[One Brow]

One thing that alternative medicine does not.

Of course not. It has no effects, therefore no side effects. There's even an annual day where people deliberately overdose, to a ridiculaous degree, on alternative medications. No effects are ever seen.

Making money is the number one, and keeping you healthy provides no profit.

The CDC makes no money.

Actually natural news doesn't sell any products.

You are so naive, it's adorable.

Health insurance companies are well lobbied by Big Pharma

*guffaw*

Last year, United Healthcare had $94 billion in revenues. The Blues had well over $100 billion combined. By contrast, the largest pharmaceutical had $67 billion (and pharmaceuticals have smaller margins). Who do think has more and better lobbying?

Yes, we all know that you respect the members on this board that hold the same opinions as yourself.

So, you think I have a lot of common ground with the posters I mentioned? *chuckle*

You dismiss my positions because they are contrary to everything the so-called "we" thinks they know about maybe just biology, and chemisty only as far as vaccinations, drugs, and food additives go. Physics..... not a topic here.

Wrong. All of our scientific knowledge is interconnected and interrelated. What we know about biology depends a good deal on the more basic science of chemistry, and what we know about chemistry depends a good deal on physics. If we have the biology wrong, the physics is wrong as well, and perhaps even more spectacularly wrong.

You seem to be the one that's conned here, considering you believe that government agencies, health insurance companies, and the pharacutical industry actually care if you're healthy or not.

Government employees, yes, because that's the basis they are hired upon at the CDC. Health insurance companies, yes, because healthy people make for higher profits. Pharmaceuticals, only to the degree that getting people healthy makes their products appealing to the government and insurance company. I agree a pharmaceutical would rather sell you a monthly prescription for $100 than give you a cure that costs $1000. However, the health insurance company will cover the cure, rather than the long-term care. I think all of them act in their own best interest. In two of those three cases, their best interest coincides with my health.

 

[Stoked]

Of course not. It has no effects, therefore no side effects. There's even an annual day where people deliberately overdose, to a ridiculaous degree, on alternative medications. No effects are ever seen.



The CDC makes no money.



You are so naive, it's adorable.



*guffaw*

Last year, United Healthcare had $94 billion in revenues. The Blues had well over $100 billion combined. By contrast, the largest pharmaceutical had $67 billion (and pharmaceuticals have smaller margins). Who do think has more and better lobbying?



So, you think I have a lot of common ground with the posters I mentioned? *chuckle*


Wrong. All of our scientific knowledge is interconnected and interrelated. What we know about biology depends a good deal on the more basic science of chemistry, and what we know about chemistry depends a good deal on physics. If we have the biology wrong, the physics is wrong as well, and perhaps even more spectacularly wrong.



Government employees, yes, because that's the basis they are hired upon at the CDC. Health insurance companies, yes, because healthy people make for higher profits. Pharmaceuticals, only to the degree that getting people healthy makes their products appealing to the government and insurance company. I agree a pharmaceutical would rather sell you a monthly prescription for $100 than give you a cure that costs $1000. However, the health insurance company will cover the cure, rather than the long-term care. I think all of them act in their own best interest. In two of those three cases, their best interest coincides with my health.

That made me smile as well. LOL

Silencer, I disagree with One Brow on a good 85% of topics.

 

[TroutBum]

I am human and therefore make mistakes and bad judgements. One area I am good at however is admitting my mistakes or apologizing when I am wrong.

I also used to try to be this way. It didn't take long for me to realize it was futile, as I'm never wrong.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

I also used to try to be this way. It didn't take long for me to realize it was futile, as I'm never wrong.

TroutAsshole

 

[Dr. Jones]

TroutAsshole

Glad to see there's a meeting in the middle..

 

[Stoked]

I also used to try to be this way. It didn't take long for me to realize it was futile, as I'm never wrong.

Is this one of those there is no evil because there is no good things? You are never wrong because you are never right?

 

[TheSilencer1313]

Of course not. It has no effects, therefore no side effects. There's even an annual day where people deliberately overdose, to a ridiculaous degree, on alternative medications. No effects are ever seen.

Yes we know Unibrow.
Food, herbs, vitamins and minerals, filtered water, chiropractic adjustments, acupuncture, and message therepy have absolutely no effect on the bodies ability to NEVER get sick.

Which I NEVER do.
And I drink like a drunken sailor.

The CDC makes no money.

It's hard to find concrete evidence that the CDC makes money.
But..... at the same time, when an organization is as influential as they are, and continue to spout lies about everything under the sun, wouldn't surprise me a bit.
https://m.naturalnews.com/news/029124_flu_vaccines_quackery.html[/QUOTE]

You are so naive, it's adorable.

Uh..... ok. Cute.

*guffaw*

I'm guessing you either learned this attempt at describing some sort of sound from your computer savvy son a few years back, or you're now (at 50) some sort of message board savant.

Last year, United Healthcare had $94 billion in revenues. The Blues had well over $100 billion combined. By contrast, the largest pharmaceutical had $67 billion (and pharmaceuticals have smaller margins). Who do think has more and better lobbying?

The companies CEO's, firms, and employees are all interconnected.
So why does that question matter anyway?

So, you think I have a lot of common ground with the posters I mentioned? *chuckle*

Ok..... I take this back.
*chuckle*
*chuckle*

Wrong. All of our scientific knowledge is interconnected and interrelated. What we know about biology depends a good deal on the more basic science of chemistry, and what we know about chemistry depends a good deal on physics. If we have the biology wrong, the physics is wrong as well, and perhaps even more spectacularly wrong.

Disagree.
There is a standard of physics that have been around since the Newton theory.
Everything science has developed since the 1850's approximately (that pertains to health) have been complete eugenics.

Government employees, yes, because that's the basis they are hired upon at the CDC. Health insurance companies, yes, because healthy people make for higher profits. Pharmaceuticals, only to the degree that getting people healthy makes their products appealing to the government and insurance company. I agree a pharmaceutical would rather sell you a monthly prescription for $100 than give you a cure that costs $1000. However, the health insurance company will cover the cure, rather than the long-term care. I think all of them act in their own best interest. In two of those three cases, their best interest coincides with my health.

Low level government employees are compartmentalized, and have no idea what's going on anyway. They just want to help people.
The health insurance companies could care less, because like I said, they're all interconnected. Profits and all.
The pharmaceutical industry is what it is, a slow kill for all humans.

There's no way an insurance company would ever pay for any cure, for any disease.
They already have their ways in place to make billions more than anybodies collective little premium per month.
Oh yeah.... and they love the long term care, because that's where the Big Pharma kicks in to save us all.

Their best interests coincide with each others bests interests.
It has nothing to do with you or anyone else.
None of these industries could give two ****s about you or anyone else.

 

[larryselbows]

That's very offensive.

 

[One Brow]

Food, herbs, vitamins and minerals, filtered water, chiropractic adjustments, acupuncture, and message therepy have absolutely no effect on the bodies ability to NEVER get sick.

Healthy food, herbs, vitamins, minerals, filtered water, some chiropratic adjustments, and massage therapy are legitimate medicine, recommended by your typical AMA member as the need is warranted. One of the classic tricks of the alt-med con men is to take legitimate medical understandings and treatments, slap the label "alternative" on them, and use them to prop up the respectability of nonesense like acupuncture and homeopathy.

Which I NEVER do.

Good for you.

It's hard to find concrete evidence that the CDC makes money.
But..... at the same time, when an organization is as influential as they are, and continue to spout lies about everything under the sun, wouldn't surprise me a bit.

Because otherwise, you'd just be wrong. Can't have that.

I'm guessing you either learned this attempt at describing some sort of sound from your computer savvy son a few years back, or you're now (at 50) some sort of message board savant.

It's something I toss in when an argument is so bad, so disconnected from reality, I make an audible sound of amusement.

The companies CEO's, firms, and employees are all interconnected.
So why does that question matter anyway?

In other words, it doesn't fit with your conception of reality, so you pretend the question doesn't exist.

Disagree.
There is a standard of physics that have been around since the Newton theory.
Everything science has developed since the 1850's approximately (that pertains to health) have been complete eugenics.

Physics hasn't changed since Newton, while the Theory of Relativity, Tectonic Plate Theory, The Theory of Evolution, modern agriculture, etc. is "complete eugenics". *chuckle*

The health insurance companies could care less, because like I said, they're all interconnected. Profits and all.

Health insurance companies make greater profits on healthy people. You know, profits and all.

There's no way an insurance company would ever pay for any cure, for any disease.

Because they love spending money so much? You know, profits and all.

They already have their ways in place to make billions more than anybodies collective little premium per month.

Do tell. What is this source of funding to the health insurance industry that outstrips their hundreds of billions in premiums?

Oh yeah.... and they love the long term care, because that's where the Big Pharma kicks in to save us all.

Because they love shelling out tens of billions to drug manufacturers? You know, profits and all.

None of these industries could give two ****s about you or anyone else.

I agree, they are interested in profit. Thing is health insurance companies make more profit by keeping my healthy, not by keeping me medicated.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

That's very offensive.

See how you are.

 

[Stoked]

See how you are.

Me must be a Democrat.