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Kanter is not ready to start

Kanter needs game time. If he plays in the D-League he can get 30+ minutes a game. With the Jazz I can't see him getting much more than 10 mpg.
 
Qman said:
Kanter needs game time. If he plays in the D-League he can get 30+ minutes a game. With the Jazz I can't see him getting much more than 10 mpg.
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D-League won't help him. He will get injured. No system. No team-game. Individual performances. Everyone will try to prove he is worth a shot in the NBA. Is this where he should end up? So, 15 mpg in the NBA >>>> 40 mpg in the D-League.
 
underKANTER said:
D-League won't help him. He will get injured. No system. No team-game. Individual performances. Everyone will try to prove he is worth a shot in the NBA. Is this where he should end up? So, 15 mpg in the NBA >>>> 40 mpg in the D-League.
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I agree with this. Who was the last guy that was "developed" in the D-League and showed it with the big boys? If you can play in the NBA, going "down" to the D-League is a waste.
 
Kanter doesn't have to start. If Al gets traded, Milly and Favors start and Kanter shares the backup minutes with another, yet to be added backup Big who will not demand starter minutes, but will play well as a solid guy off the bench. There are a lot of guys like that in the league. The Jazz will be able to find one cheap in FA. Also have Marvin and Pogo with different and complimentary skill sets.

I know Favors sees himself as a 4, but as a starter at the 5 there will be little difference and he will be a happy camper.
 
underKANTER said:
D-League won't help him. He will get injured. No system. No team-game. Individual performances. Everyone will try to prove he is worth a shot in the NBA. Is this where he should end up? So, 15 mpg in the NBA >>>> 40 mpg in the D-League.
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Agree. It's not like he's getting DNP's. He's going up against an elite scorer every day in practice. And he plays 15-20 mins/per game.

Increase his conditioning? Yes, play him 40 mins in the D-League. Improve his game? Have him play 20 mins against real NBA players. And in practice have him work on another offensive move or two (like a hook and 10-ft jump shot).
 
I get the OP. Relative who else has started at center for Jazz over time Kanter is 'ready' to start. That's a pretty low bar, though. I mean, Raja Bell started most of last year. If Bell sets the bar, hell, Blake Ahearn is ready to start in the NBA.

If Kanter did start, I'd guess by end of year he'd be among top third of starting centers in the league BUT at this point, Jefferson is the better player and it's not currently close. I'm comfortable with Kanter coming off the bench again this year, and I hope he gets more PT than last year--or better, earns more playing time than last year. I think Jazz brass would love to see him reach the point where he can take Jefferson's place.
 
Ok, how about this: Kanter is not a starter quality player for a team hoping to make a run into the playoffs. His per48 numbers are pretty good, but a large part of a players ability to start is being able to maintain a high level of play for long periods of time. We've all seen the d-league player who puts up a 20 point game but is invisible after that. Kanter makes too many mistakes and his game is too one dimensional at this point.
 
NUMBERICA said:
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Yiddish?
 
Unless BOTH Sap and Al get moved, how is this even a discussion? I hope OP isn't suggesting Kanter starts with either Sap or Favors coming off the bench, cuz that ain't happening.

The real issue facing this team is the very real possiblity of Favors coming off the bench again. If that happens, I'm gonna start breakin' stuff, and then I'm gonna break some more.
 
jazzfan1971 said:
BS.

I've never heard such a load of crap in my whole life. You can say that he isn't the best option to start on the Jazz. That's a reasonable argument. But, he's certainly ready to start.

Greg Ostertag started 70 games his second year. Gave us 7, 7, and 2.
Jarron Collins started his 1st year 68 games. Gave us 6 and 4.
Mark Eaton started 78 games his 2nd year. 5.5, 5.5, and 4.3!
Felton Spencer started 54 games his 2nd year. 6, 7, 1.3

Per 36 Kanter gave the Jazz 12, 11, 1 his rookie season. A notable season in that there was no training camp.

My point being, Kanter is more ready to start than a lot of the guys we've started at center in the past. He may not be ready to unseat Jefferson, but, he's certainly ready to start. More than ready actually. He'd be just fine. Better than a lot of the starting centers we've trotted out there.


So, enough of the not ready to start BS. It's just not gonna fly with me, I've seen too much basketball to buy into that nonsense.
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Anyone else concerned that the OP is comparing Kanter to those four, but he has a point he's ready to put up pedestrian numbers I guess.:confused:
 
It doesn't matter if Enes is ready to start. It's probably time to shift the burden to Favors, and Kanter has shown enough to take on Derrick's role from last year. Also the scoring burden needs to be shared more equally throughout the team. If Al isn't getting around 15 shots he's not contributing enough considering his flaws.

Again, regardless of which direction the team goes it is a gamble. Keep last year's starters and risk disinterest and resentment from Favors. Move either Al, Sap or both and you are gambling on those young guys developing quickly. It would be an easier decision if KOC had acquired an assist machine but as he didn't the other rather significant risk is losing easy offense. It's also worth something that Al actually of all our players besides Mo has expressly shown desire to perform in SLC, and those two could be a good fit with each other.

This stupid assed Dwightmare needs to end so teams can move on. This discussion will be a lot clearer when a market value has been set for Al and Sap.
 
Xsy said:
Kanter can start, but he shouldn't start. He'd do okay as a starter, but he's still best suited for the bench.

Its incredible how little basketball experience Kanter really has. He'll hopefully be ready to start by 2013/14.
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And will he get this experience by reading books on the bench?
 
I love Kanter and have always thought he was going to be fantastic but he still has some holes in his game:

His lack of game experience sometimes shows up when he sees things he is not used to like double teams or zones. He still doesn't pass all that well. He still could improve that running jump hook that malone used to shoot 10 to 15 time a game. He could practice his pick and roll. He could mature a little as his twitter account shows. Now all of that can be improved with time on the court (save his maturity). I'm not sure starting is required, though.
 
oldtimer said:
I love Kanter and have always thought he was going to be fantastic but he still has some holes in his game:

His lack of game experience sometimes shows up when he sees things he is not used to like double teams or zones. He still doesn't pass all that well. He still could improve that running jump hook that malone used to shoot 10 to 15 time a game. He could practice his pick and roll. He could mature a little as his twitter account shows. Now all of that can be improved with time on the court (save his maturity). I'm not sure starting is required, though.
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I actually think his passing seems much better. People seem to focus on the occasions he's forced shots against the double team in the preseason, but overall I really see an improvement.
 
Many of these guys still need to get in shape, including Al probably. Give these guys a little time to get a stride going before we judge them. Things do appear to be shifting though with Jefferson being less important to us and Kanter showing he is capable. So I agree with OP.
 
oldtimer said:
I love Kanter and have always thought he was going to be fantastic but he still has some holes in his game:

His lack of game experience sometimes shows up when he sees things he is not used to like double teams or zones. He still doesn't pass all that well. He still could improve that running jump hook that malone used to shoot 10 to 15 time a game. He could practice his pick and roll. He could mature a little as his twitter account shows. Now all of that can be improved with time on the court (save his maturity). I'm not sure starting is required, though.
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Thats funny, The same things big al has problems with...
 
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