NFL Thread 12-13

[Hotdog]

Ya bro, at the time you were hyping Brown, I was hyping Wilson. You're late to the party.

I drafted Wilson in my fantasy league this year. Holler.

I was hyping Wilson too but I knew he wasnt going to play right away.

Brown could be bad ***. I really believe that. He just needs carries and he needs to stay healthy. Coughlin stopped using him when Bradshaw got back, then he got hurt.

 

[UGLI baby]

Your team looks a lot like mine.

I got Cruz, Cobb, Wilson, and Martin.

Its a toss up between Cobb and Wilson, but I am leaning towards Wilson. If you watch the games you can see he is a threat to take it to the house every time he touches the ball. Cobb is sorta the same way, but he probably wont touch the ball as much.

Edit: oh you need two. Cobb and Wilson if Mcfadden is really hurt. I dont know his status. I think the Giants will dominate the Falcons so I dont know about Roddy White.

If Roddy wasn't hurt I'd start him without hesitation.

As it is, I'm leaning (in order, gotta start 5 of em)...

Doug Martin
Victor Cruz
CJ Spiller
David Wilson
Roddy White
Randall Cobb
Darren McFadden

Basically I think I'm deciding between Wilson, Roddy, and Cobb. Gotta leave one out.

McFadden could go off too though. Fuuuuuuu

 

[Hotdog]

Ya thats a tough decision


Hey UGLI would you consider doing a full team for our league next year? I really think its better. It takes more skill because you have to know a lot about football. The draft becomes way better because it changes how people draft. People have to consider all sorts of positions. Makes it more life like. You just have to set it up right and make defensive players valuable too. You are smart. You could come up with something you like.

Why dont you like defensive players?

 

[UGLI baby]

Ya thats a tough decision


Hey UGLI would you consider doing a full team for our league next year? I really think its better. It takes more skill because you have to know a lot about football. The draft becomes way better because it changes how people draft. People have to consider all sorts of positions. Makes it more life like. You just have to set it up right and make defensive players valuable too. You are smart. You could come up with something you like.

Why dont you like defensive players?

I don't like defensive players generally because the scoring doesn't always reflect who the best defenders actually are. Also, it seems a little like Kickers in that there is no way of knowing who is actually going to have a good game. Fantasy football in general is very luck driven, but defensive players and kickers seem 10x more luck driven than offensive players.

 

[Hotdog]

I don't like defensive players generally because the scoring doesn't always reflect who the best defenders actually are. Also, it seems a little like Kickers in that there is no way of knowing who is actually going to have a good game. Fantasy football in general is very luck driven, but defensive players and kickers seem 10x more luck driven than offensive players.

I have to disagree. Fantasy defensive players often reflect reality. Sacks, forced fumbles, and interceptions are all huge plays in a game. Defensive scores are huge too. JJ Watt is a major piece on the Texans and his play has a lot to do with how good the Texans are. Similarly in fantasy he can score a lot of points with all the things he does like sacks and batted down passes. There are many more examples too.


As far as kickers go, that takes some skill as well. You have to know who kicks a lot of field goals, and who will be good enough to be in position to score a lot. It just adds another aspect to the draft.

I dont really care for punters but it takes some skill in guessing who punts a lot I guess and which ones are good at pinning the defenses.

Im not really sure what you mean by luck. The only thing I can think of is the example of Darrelle Revis. He is so good that plays never go his way so he doesnt score much. Its not perfect, but neither is the offense. There are flaws in that as well. Fantasy football doesn't know if a running back has good 3rd down pass protection.


Ill let you sleep on it then I will ask again.

 

[UGLI baby]

I have to disagree. Fantasy defensive players often reflect reality. Sacks, forced fumbles, and interceptions are all huge plays in a game. Defensive scores are huge too. JJ Watt is a major piece on the Texans and his play has a lot to do with how good the Texans are. Similarly in fantasy he can score a lot of points with all the things he does like sacks and batted down passes. There are many more examples too.


As far as kickers go, that takes some skill as well. You have to know who kicks a lot of field goals, and who will be good enough to be in position to score a lot. It just adds another aspect to the draft.

I dont really care for punters but it takes some skill in guessing who punts a lot I guess and which ones are good at pinning the defenses.

Im not really sure what you mean by luck. The only thing I can think of is the example of Darrelle Revis. He is so good that plays never go his way so he doesnt score much. Its not perfect, but neither is the offense. There are flaws in that as well. Fantasy football doesn't know if a running back has good 3rd down pass protection.


Ill let you sleep on it then I will ask again.

I'll have to look into the defensive player thing. I don't really think you get what I'm saying. I'm not saying Defensive players aren't important in football, I'm saying the best defensive players aren't the best fantasy players usually and I think that's dumb.

I would never ever play in a league with punters. That's tarded. In fact I'd lobby against having kickers altogether.

 

[Hotdog]

I'll have to look into the defensive player thing. I don't really think you get what I'm saying. I'm not saying Defensive players aren't important in football, I'm saying the best defensive players aren't the best fantasy players usually and I think that's dumb.

I would never ever play in a league with punters. That's tarded. In fact I'd lobby against having kickers altogether.

I really wouldnt care about kickers either. But I think that the best defensive can shine if you construct it right. Just think about it. Look at the scoring options.

 

[UGLI baby]

I really wouldnt care about kickers either. But I think that the best defensive can shine if you construct it right. Just think about it. Look at the scoring options.

Ya, I'm sure we can come up with something. What would you think about having IDP but no team defense? Or is that what you already do?

 

[UGLI baby]

Also, How would you feel about doing a straight up Dynasty? Like, instead of a certain amount of keepers you keep your team every year and develop through the draft, trades, and FA. I think it could work especially if we are doing defenders too.

 

[Hotdog]

Ya, I'm sure we can come up with something. What would you think about having IDP but no team defense? Or is that what you already do?

Its all IDP no team defense. We use coaches though. Which is basically going off wins and point differentials. I really like the coaches.

 

[Hotdog]

Also, How would you feel about doing a straight up Dynasty? Like, instead of a certain amount of keepers you keep your team every year and develop through the draft, trades, and FA. I think it could work especially if we are doing defenders too.

I would be down, but Im not sure how that would go with people who create bad teams. Do they just quit after the first year. Maybe you could set it up so people pay for 3 years or something. But then again. I guess it might not be that hard to rebuild.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Agree. Start Wilson and Cobb.

I'd be down with a dynasty and think we should have to pay two years up front...50 per so 100...

For me personally though, I am not doing a 10 team draft (teams are too stacked), only 12, and will not do individual players on defense as I've never done that before and am not screwing up my dynasty by not strategically drafting wisely.

 

[fatchipper]

For me personally though, I am not doing a 10 team draft (teams are too stacked), only 12, and will not do individual players on defense as I've never done that before and am not screwing up my dynasty by not strategically drafting wisely.

I'm in an IDP league (1st place, 12-2 going into the playoffs) and I don't have a single player left on my defense that I drafted at the beginning of the year. IDP leagues are soooo much better than just picking a defense, which is extremely lazy as well, but there's no strategy to drafting defensive players.

 

[Hotdog]

I'm in an IDP league (1st place, 12-2 going into the playoffs) and I don't have a single player left on my defense that I drafted at the beginning of the year. IDP leagues are soooo much better than just picking a defense, which is extremely lazy as well, but there's no strategy to drafting defensive players.

What? That's wrong. There is a strategy to picking defensive players. It must be your scoring system. You gotta put heavy emphasis on sacks, and interceptions. Those arent lucky categories to fill. The best defensive players get those. Sack and interceptions are huge plays in a game. Then there is forced fumbles, passes batted down,tackles, and tackles for losses. Again, the better players make those things happen. The better defenders definitely stand out if you score it right.

And besides all that, thats how real life is. Sometimes there are lucky plays. Like a defensive score off of a screwy play. Those things have a huge impact on real games. Why not make it more life like? It allows people to build a good team with a dominate defense if they arent the best offensively.

Its way more fun to play with defensive players.

 

[UGLI baby]

I would be down, but Im not sure how that would go with people who create bad teams. Do they just quit after the first year. Maybe you could set it up so people pay for 3 years or something. But then again. I guess it might not be that hard to rebuild.

Agree. Start Wilson and Cobb.

I'd be down with a dynasty and think we should have to pay two years up front...50 per so 100...

For me personally though, I am not doing a 10 team draft (teams are too stacked), only 12, and will not do individual players on defense as I've never done that before and am not screwing up my dynasty by not strategically drafting wisely.

Ya, we'd have t have people pay for a few years up front. I think it would have to be 3 years, not just 2 and we would only want very experienced fantasy football players.

I think IDP would be fun if we could figure out a scoring system that could make it work. @Hack, I don't know if I've told you this, but I'm in a league right now that uses IDP and I feel like it adds zero excitement, fun, or strategy to the league. I have JJ Watt on my team also, so it's not like I'm just saying that because I have sucky guys. We can look into it and see if we can figure something out though.

 

[UGLI baby]

I'm in an IDP league (1st place, 12-2 going into the playoffs) and I don't have a single player left on my defense that I drafted at the beginning of the year. IDP leagues are soooo much better than just picking a defense, which is extremely lazy as well, but there's no strategy to drafting defensive players.

Agreed on the lack of strategy with IDP. I also think team D/ST is dumb in fantasy. I'm in an IDP league right now, but we still have team D/ST as well, which I don't like.

We're putting together a Dynasty league on jazzfanz for next year. You interested?

 

[fatchipper]

What? That's wrong. There is a strategy to picking defensive players. It must be your scoring system. You gotta put heavy emphasis on sacks, and interceptions. Those arent lucky categories to fill. The best defensive players get those. Sack and interceptions are huge plays in a game. Then there is forced fumbles, passes batted down,tackles, and tackles for losses. Again, the better players make those things happen. The better defenders definitely stand out if you score it right.

And besides all that, thats how real life is. Sometimes there are lucky plays. Like a defensive score off of a screwy play. Those things have a huge impact on real games. Why not make it more life like? It allows people to build a good team with a dominate defense if they arent the best offensively.

Its way more fun to play with defensive players.

Sacks and interceptions are 5 points each and yes they're big plays, but focusing on tackling totals will give you guaranteed points each week. Here was my defensive team on draft day, and my defensive team going into the playoffs...

Draft Day
Von Miller LB
James Laurinaitis LB
Julius Peppers DE
Nick Barnett LB
Jason McCourty CB
Morgan Burnett S
Ndamukong Suh DT

Today
Luke Kuechly LB
Lavonte David LB
Mario Williams DE
Anthony Spencer LB
DeAngelo Hall CB
Major Wright S
Geno Atkins DT

As you can see I drafted one of the best DE's, DT's, and CB's in football yet dropped them a few weeks into the season. The remaining players were dropped on bye weeks. Von Miller is also considered one of the best LB's in football, but he's very hit or miss. You'll get 25 points from him one week, and a big fat zero the next. Too inconsistent for me.

Sacks and INT's are important, but I focus on guys that tackle because you get 1 point for a solo tackle and .5 for an assisted tackle. I can guarantee at least 8+ points from all 3 LB's because of their tackle totals.

 

[fatchipper]

Agreed on the lack of strategy with IDP. I also think team D/ST is dumb in fantasy. I'm in an IDP league right now, but we still have team D/ST as well, which I don't like.

We're putting together a Dynasty league on jazzfanz for next year. You interested?

I'm interested, but I'll forget within a month so you'll have to remind me when we get closer.

 

[UGLI baby]

I'm interested, but I'll forget within a month so you'll have to remind me when we get closer.

Cool.

 

[Hotdog]

Sacks and interceptions are 5 points each and yes they're big plays, but focusing on tackling totals will give you guaranteed points each week. Here was my defensive team on draft day, and my defensive team going into the playoffs...

Draft Day
Von Miller LB
James Laurinaitis LB
Julius Peppers DE
Nick Barnett LB
Jason McCourty CB
Morgan Burnett S
Ndamukong Suh DT

Today
Luke Kuechly LB
Lavonte David LB
Mario Williams DE
Anthony Spencer LB
DeAngelo Hall CB
Major Wright S
Geno Atkins DT

As you can see I drafted one of the best DE's, DT's, and CB's in football yet dropped them a few weeks into the season. The remaining players were dropped on bye weeks. Von Miller is also considered one of the best LB's in football, but he's very hit or miss. You'll get 25 points from him one week, and a big fat zero the next. Too inconsistent for me.

Sacks and INT's are important, but I focus on guys that tackle because you get 1 point for a solo tackle and .5 for an assisted tackle. I can guarantee at least 8+ points from all 3 LB's because of their tackle totals.

I think I can see why I am experiencing something different from you and Ugli now. It looks like you arent playing that many defensive players.

This is the way I have always done it so dont scoff or laugh. Its actually pretty cool. I have only been doing this for five years and its just about the only league I have played in. Im guessing not too many leagues are like this.

We play a 40 man roster. 23 starters and 17 bench. It goes like this.

1 QB
2 RB
2 WR
1 RB/WR
1 TE
1 WR/TE
1 Flex

2 DE
2 DT
2 CB
2 S
3 LB
1 P
1 K
1 Head Coach

Those are your starters

There are limits on how many RB's, Wr's, etc, that you can have on your roster. Every position has a limit. Example 2 HC's, 6 RB's, 2 QB's etc

We generally do a 16 team league so it balanced out and someone cant hoard a bunch of starting QB's. Everyone has 2 Starters.

It's like you are Managing a real NFL roster.

I think what we are experiencing differently on the defensive players is that in your leagues it feels like there isnt a that big of a difference in the defensive players, because there are too many available. Well when you have it set up the way we do, it makes a big difference in who you have because FA isnt loaded with players you could switch in and out without noticing much. Essentially all the starters are taken. This is what makes the draft important when it comes to picking defensive players. All the defensive players you have totaled up makes a big difference. Then when you have big plays like a sack, interception, or defensive score, it makes a big difference. Just like it would in a real game.

I joined a league online one year that was all offense and a lot less players and it just wasnt the same. I didnt enjoy it as much. But I guess that could be I am just so used to doing it like this.

You guys dont have to do it. Im just suggesting it. I love it like this. I like defense and defensive players. I think it adds a lot more intrigue and strategy to the draft which in a lot of ways is my favorite part of fantasy football. If you can find a few studs on defense that can accumulate a lot of sacks, ff, tfl, int, pass deflections, and defensive scores, it can go a long way in how well your team does. Just like in real life. A stout defense in the NFL that forces a lot of turnovers and sacks can make a team really good. The Bears rode that to the Superbowl with a terrible QB just a few years ago.

I realize that would change your whole experience that you are used to. So Im not going to keep pressing. You can do it however you want. Just thought I'd share this. I think people are missing out.