Duck Rodgers
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Football wise, I couldn't be happier. A 2011 of Notre Dame/Texas/Texas Tech/Oregon State/Clemson/Utah/Hawaii etc. is a better schedule than the Pac 12's.
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Football wise, I couldn't be happier. A 2011 of Notre Dame/Texas/Texas Tech/Oregon State/Clemson/Utah/Hawaii etc. is a better schedule than the Pac 12's.
calijazz
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I tend to agree with this. Had BYU stayed and the MWC invited Houston to get the league to 12 members (as rumored), there's a pretty decent chance that the MWC becomes an AQ conference. But there's no doubt they'll be seeing a lot more $$$ and exposure.
calijazz
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True.
7StraightIsGreat
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As a Ute fan, I'd be stoked for that schedule too. That just screams 6-and-6 or 7-and-5.
Duck Rodgers
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I'm thinking more like National Championship. Maybe back-to-back after we win it this year.
SaltyDawg
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Lol, not a chance BYU gets that schedule next year.
BYU already had Oregon St and Texas scheduled. I have to imagine BYU will play Utah and Utah St. I think Hawaii is already on the schedule too. It is highly likely that the other independents (Notre Dame, Army and Navy) will want to play BYU in November when everyone else is playing their conference schedule. So that is 7 likely games. If you throw in a couple of patsies and maybe a few more of the MWC or WAC teams you have a full schedule.
SaltyDawg
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That is still not the schedule he listed.
Take a look at Navy's schedule:
https://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/2426/navy-midshipmen
BYU will have something similar to that, at best, most years. And they will have worse than that often.
That is not the "better than the PAC 12" schedule duck was touting.
Check Army's schedule, it's even worse:
https://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/349/army-black-knights
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The Thriller
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The way things panned out, I'm not excited at all over this.
Going Independent may help exposure and money, but it hurts the other sports big time. It is also a risky move since no one sees this being permanent, but just a stepping stone to something greater. If the BIG 12 doesn't call, then BYU's screwed and the main point of going Independent will be gone. If the WAC hadn't blown up, then things wouldn't be too bad since BYU could have a respectable conference to fall back on. right now, they cut ties with the only semi-decent conference that wanted them, the big boys don't want them right now, and the conferences that do aren't worth a penny. I also don't think it makes them any closer to getting into the BCS either, as they have to go undefeated either way (like Boise and Utah have done).
I think it hurts BYU's other sports, is a huge risk that could easily blow up in their faces, and doesn't close the gap between Utah. If an athlete had to choose between playing against San Fransico or Cal/Stanford, who do you think he'd choose?
The only way BYU cuts the gap, is to become accepted by the BIG 12. And I have serious doubts whether they are interested in the Cougs... I honestly hope that in the next few years they do. I can't imagine even the worst BYU haters wanting their program to just die and go away. I love the Holy War and would love to see it broadcasted nationally on ESPN with HD. A bigtime game bringing College Gameday to the state. A competitive match between the Pac-12 and the Big-12. Finally, people around the country will witness what we've seen for years and years.
As bad as things get for BYU, I don't think it compares at all to how bad things will be for Utah St.... they're the biggest losers right now....
Going Independent may help exposure and money, but it hurts the other sports big time. It is also a risky move since no one sees this being permanent, but just a stepping stone to something greater. If the BIG 12 doesn't call, then BYU's screwed and the main point of going Independent will be gone. If the WAC hadn't blown up, then things wouldn't be too bad since BYU could have a respectable conference to fall back on. right now, they cut ties with the only semi-decent conference that wanted them, the big boys don't want them right now, and the conferences that do aren't worth a penny. I also don't think it makes them any closer to getting into the BCS either, as they have to go undefeated either way (like Boise and Utah have done).
I think it hurts BYU's other sports, is a huge risk that could easily blow up in their faces, and doesn't close the gap between Utah. If an athlete had to choose between playing against San Fransico or Cal/Stanford, who do you think he'd choose?
The only way BYU cuts the gap, is to become accepted by the BIG 12. And I have serious doubts whether they are interested in the Cougs... I honestly hope that in the next few years they do. I can't imagine even the worst BYU haters wanting their program to just die and go away. I love the Holy War and would love to see it broadcasted nationally on ESPN with HD. A bigtime game bringing College Gameday to the state. A competitive match between the Pac-12 and the Big-12. Finally, people around the country will witness what we've seen for years and years.
As bad as things get for BYU, I don't think it compares at all to how bad things will be for Utah St.... they're the biggest losers right now....
Duck Rodgers
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C'mon man.....you can't be serious with the Army/Navy comparisons. BYU has ESPN backing them, are in a completely different part of the country, and don't treat football as a "break" from more serious matters. But we don't even have to have this debate, tomorrow at 12:00 they'll let everybody know what they have thus far.
Stifle Tower
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I agree. However, I think this is a 3-4 year plan. Most analysts believe Super Conferences are coming. It's just a matter of all the TV and other contracts expiring. Over the course of the next few years, expect the Pac-12, Big 10 and Big 12 to all go to 16 teams. And the best of the rest (what's left of the ACC, SEC, MWC, etc.) will form the other Super 16 conference. It just makes more sense to go to a 2-division format with a conference championship game vs. playing an unbalanced conference schedule.
BYU is just in a holding pattern until they get an invite to the Big 12. They've already scheduled some games with Texas - those are easily incorportated into a conference schedule. And the Big12 will need to rebuild its Northern division once Colorado and Nebraska are gone.
So BYU gets shut out of the BCS picture right now, but is able to increase revenue due to an ESPN deal. More money, more exposure. Risk of not being invited to join a Super Conference in 3-4 years, but had they stayed in the MWC, they's face the same downside risk without any revenue gain.
Stifle Tower
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Well, we saw that Texas rules the Big12; that's why Nebraska and Colorado left. And BYU is cozy with Texas right now. I'd be shocked if BYU doesn't get an invite from the Big 12.
Agree re: Utah State. They stood by BYU and on principle, declined an invite to the MWC. I feel bad for them. Gotta think some deal is cut to repay them. Perhaps a benefactor steps in and pays for the entrance fee into the MWC. Of course, the $5M penalty might not apply since it appears to have been dependent on that Memorandum of Understanding, or whatever it was called. Since BYU backed out, I'm not sure the fine can be levied against Fresno State, Nevada and whoever else wants to jump ship.
SaltyDawg
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Army and Navy both have ESPN backing them too. Check both of their schedules and notice that every single halfway decent team they play is either on the road or at a neutral location.
ESPN is not the god of college football. They might get you a few good games per year, but that is a long ways from filling a 12 game schedule. There will absolutely be lots of San Jose States and Idahos on BYU's schedule. I would guess they get about 8 games of that caliber every year. We'll see.
SaltyDawg
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That's not why they left at all. Here is a great article that details exactly what happened:
https://omaha.com/article/20100830/BIGRED/708309872/-1
You'll see Texas and Nebraska's presidents are actually good friends, and Nebraska wanted to stay in the Big 12 because all the rules were slanted towards them (plus Texas and Oklahoma).
For those who don't want to read it, Nebraska left the Big 12 because they didn't expect it to survive. Texas A&M have also said they don't expect it to survive- and this was after the whole Texas staying thing was over.
7StraightIsGreat
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What is all of this nonsense about BYU being "cozy" with Texas? So you're scheduled for 3 games against them. Texas isn't stupid. They see those as 3 very winnable, high revenue games against a team with some name recognition.
Does any BYU fan actually believe that Texas is putting their arm around BYU and trying to pull them into the Big 12? Hell, Texas can't wait until the Big 12 is nothing but a memory and they're on to a super conference. They have little to no interest in getting "cozy" with little ole BYU. Texas cares about Texas. The end.
Does any BYU fan actually believe that Texas is putting their arm around BYU and trying to pull them into the Big 12? Hell, Texas can't wait until the Big 12 is nothing but a memory and they're on to a super conference. They have little to no interest in getting "cozy" with little ole BYU. Texas cares about Texas. The end.
Duck Rodgers
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Does that bother you? Does it bother you that their administration has been hanging out in Provo trying to figure out how they can follow BYU and make their own TV network? Of course Texas only cares about Texas, but it's a fact that they care about BYU for the moment and that both sides will benefit from that to a degree. Just like BYU cares about the WCC for the moment. The BCS is clear evidence that self interest runs college football, I didn't know anybody was still questioning that.
7StraightIsGreat
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Who needs to be doing the damage control? At this time next year, BYU's football team will have even a harder time cracking the BCS and the rest of your sports will be playing in a conference that's maybe one step above the Big Sky.
....And yet you're "Stoked" about it. Obviously, the "haters" aren't the ones spinning anything.
I was really impressed by Thriller's take on this subject a few posts back. It's nice to see a BYU fan who actually see's the move for what it is and isn't afraid to voice the obvious concerns that come with a move like this.
In the end, as a Ute fan I find the move amusing. BYU was obviously pushing the envelope to get something done by 2011 so Utah wasn't the only one getting all the pub next year in regards to going to a new home. Well done BYU. Next year we'll be watching Utah go to the Pac10 and BYU going to the......WCC.
Right now, Chris Hill is somewhere laughing his *** off.
SaltyDawg
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6 months ago if I would have posted that Utah would join the PAC 10, and BYU would counter that by trying to join the WAC, get owned and embarrassed by the MWC, and end up joining the WCC, BYU fans would not have accepted that as a win for BYU (and that is an understatement).
Duck Rodgers
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The stock market is rallying on the news of BYU's Independence.
You guys still seem to be missing the point.....they are not in a conference anymore. They're Independent. And the sports that are not, all have tournaments that decide who the kings are. Life is better than it ever has been for BYU sports.
You guys still seem to be missing the point.....they are not in a conference anymore. They're Independent. And the sports that are not, all have tournaments that decide who the kings are. Life is better than it ever has been for BYU sports.
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