Gun Control

[Stoked]

You know what scares me? People riding horses. I don't know what their intentions are and don't feel comfortable when non-Mardi Gras police are wielding such a massive weapon in my presence. Why should we continue allowing horses people ride when I feel uncomfortable by them?

People who gut their own fish really scare me too. I don't know what their intentions are with that fillet knife. For all I know, they're brandishing it just waiting for some purdy girl to walk by and snatch up yer wife and children. Why should we allow knife wielding maybe mentally ill maybe not potential criminals hang out cleaning their fish when it makes me uncomfortable and I don't know their intentions?

I don't know what your intentions are when I pull up to you next to a gas pump. For all I know, you're sitting their waiting to torch my car and it makes me uncomfortable. Why should we allow gasoline dispensing paraphernalia to exist unhinged? I don't know your intentions.

What really really really makes me uncomfortable is crossing crosswalks in front of stopped vehicles. I don't know their intentions. Maybe they are baiting me to cross in front of them so they can run me over behind the wheel of these uncontrolled 2 ton weapon. Why don't we have wheel locks at all crosswalks? That's sensible thing to do. I don't know their intentions...I feel uncomfortable.

I love you.

 

[Gameface]

You know what scares me? People riding horses. I don't know what their intentions are and don't feel comfortable when non-Mardi Gras police are wielding such a massive weapon in my presence. Why should we continue allowing horses people ride when I feel uncomfortable by them?

People who gut their own fish really scare me too. I don't know what their intentions are with that fillet knife. For all I know, they're brandishing it just waiting for some purdy girl to walk by and snatch up yer wife and children. Why should we allow knife wielding maybe mentally ill maybe not potential criminals hang out cleaning their fish when it makes me uncomfortable and I don't know their intentions?

I don't know what your intentions are when I pull up to you next to a gas pump. For all I know, you're sitting their waiting to torch my car and it makes me uncomfortable. Why should we allow gasoline dispensing paraphernalia to exist unhinged? I don't know your intentions.

What really really really makes me uncomfortable is crossing crosswalks in front of stopped vehicles. I don't know their intentions. Maybe they are baiting me to cross in front of them so they can run me over behind the wheel of these uncontrolled 2 ton weapon. Why don't we have wheel locks at all crosswalks? That's sensible thing to do. I don't know their intentions...I feel uncomfortable.

I like to hear what the nuts have to say about this. My guess is that they will stick to their paranoid opposition to reasonable regulation.

 

[Stoked]

I like to hear what the nuts have to say about this. My guess is that they will stick to their paranoid opposition to reasonable regulation.

What do you consider reasonable?

 

[Beantown]

Why do you assume that compassion entails acting exactly as you would act?

I assume if someone has compassion for one child that's life has been ended they would have the same compassion for the other child that's life was ended.

Common sense.

 

[One Brow]

The insinuation that I am "...afraid of black people who are yelling..." is a gross misrepresentation of what has been said here. Furthermore it is an intentional misrepresentation. If you are going to debate then please attempt to accurately portray what I am actually saying.

I'm sorry to break this to you, but that's an accurate portrayal. The NBPP is certainly a hate group, but it's a hate group without a history of violence toward white people. There's apparently been two incidents of violence in the group's history, the second occurring when they wanted to stop police from taking their guns (on a side note, should police be removing guns from law-abiding citizens like that?). They are basically a bunch of yelling black people. You do feel threatened by them. It's not inaccurate do say so.

The fact that they are black only really matters to you.

So, do you get afraid when the crown starts yelling at an NRA rally?

Also there can very much be a difference between perceiving something as a threat/threatening and being afraid of something.

You mean, you're not afraid of some things that threaten you, or you are afraid of some things that are not threats to you?

 

[Stoked]

I assume if someone has compassion for one child that's life has been ended they would have the same compassion for the other child that's life was ended.

Common sense.

Well the problem is not that they do not have compassion but that they do not consider an unborn child a child. Keep in mind that the opinion on this widely differs.

As for me I am personally pro life but think that abortions should be legal. I am however against partial birth abortions and late term abortions. Partial birth abortions are an abomination in my opinion.

 

[One Brow]

You know what scares me? People riding horses.

Exactly my point.

 

[One Brow]

I assume if someone has compassion for one child that's life has been ended they would have the same compassion for the other child that's life was ended.

My question was: why do you assume a person holding the compaasion that you hold would act as you would act? Other factors influence our actions besides compassion.

 

[Stoked]

I'm sorry to break this to you, but that's an accurate portrayal. The NBPP is certainly a hate group, but it's a hate group without a history of violence toward white people. There's apparently been two incidents of violence in the group's history, the second occurring when they wanted to stop police from taking their guns (on a side note, should police be removing guns from law-abiding citizens like that?). They are basically a bunch of yelling black people. You do feel threatened by them. It's not inaccurate do say so.



So, do you get afraid when the crown starts yelling at an NRA rally?



You mean, you're not afraid of some things that threaten you, or you are afraid of some things that are not threats to you?

When I am threatened my general reaction is anger not fear. Also your question indicated that it has to be one or the other. That is a false assertion.

As for the yelling at an NRA rally it depends on what they are yelling and why but you know all this. Is that crowd singling out someone present? Are they shouting slurs? Are they holding their weapons in an aggressive manner?

Stop trying to play political games.

Also it most certainly not an accurate portrayal of what I have said. I don't give a hoot that they are black. I care that they are members of a hate group, in full gear yelling racial slurs and brandishing weapons.

You can argue semantics all you want but the direct actions are clearly more aggressive and threatening then some guy with a rifle slung over his back minding his own business.

Period.

 

[franklin]

So, do you get afraid when the crown starts yelling at an NRA rally?

No but I was honestly scared ****less about a couple gun toting, ultra-conservative co-workers after Obama won his second term. Apparently, a $1.15 tax on diabetus medical devices every 5 or 10 years or whatever was going to starve and kill a few of their children.

 

[SaltyDawg]

So I'm seeing reports today that the Newtown school shooter left the assault rifle in the car, and it was not used in the attack. Instead, he used hand guns (more than 1). Not only that, but he tried to buy an assault rifle a few weeks before the school shooting and was denied.

Don't know how accurate it is, I saw it on Facebook, lol.

If it's true, then the proposed gun control laws wouldn't have done anything to stop the Newtown shooting.

Does this change anyone's stance on the proposed gun control regulations, assuming it's true?

 

[Beantown]

Well the problem is not that they do not have compassion but that they do not consider an unborn child a child. Keep in mind that the opinion on this widely differs.

As for me I am personally pro life but think that abortions should be legal. I am however against partial birth abortions and late term abortions. Partial birth abortions are an abomination in my opinion.

I agree with this.

 

[Stoked]

So I'm seeing reports today that the Newtown school shooter left the assault rifle in the car, and it was not used in the attack. Instead, he used hand guns (more than 1). Not only that, but he tried to buy an assault rifle a few weeks before the school shooting and was denied.

Don't know how accurate it is, I saw it on Facebook, lol.

If it's true, then the proposed gun control laws wouldn't have done anything to stop the Newtown shooting.

Does this change anyone's stance on the proposed gun control regulations, assuming it's true?

I am pretty sure that it is widely known that while he had both the rifle and handguns it was the rifle he used.

However he killed his own mother so that he would have uncontrolled access to the guns. So not the gun laws would not have changed this shooting.

He obtained them illegally already. Even if they had a 10 ammo limit he had handguns as well. He simply would have changed guns.

 

[Beantown]

Exactly the gun law could never ever stop the Newtown shooting. He was denied buying a gun and the guns he used were stolen.


You guys hear about that lady in Florida that is paying $60,000 a year to have a full time police officer in her sons elementary? Crazy but awesome.

 

[SaltyDawg]

I am pretty sure that it is widely known that while he had both the rifle and handguns it was the rifle he used.

However he killed his own mother so that he would have uncontrolled access to the guns. So not the gun laws would not have changed this shooting.

He obtained them illegally already. Even if they had a 10 ammo limit he had handguns as well. He simply would have changed guns.

MSNBC is saying it was 4 handguns, not the assault rifle:

https://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495

 

[Stoked]

MSNBC is saying it was 4 handguns, not the assault rifle:

https://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495

Interesting. That is new to me. Still would not have stopped the shooting.

 

[One Brow]

When I am threatened my general reaction is anger not fear. Also your question indicated that it has to be one or the other. That is a false assertion.

It's the fear that leads to anger. I'm presuming that when a toddler says they'll spank you, you get amused, not angry. T%hat's because the toddler poses no threat, so there is no fear to convert to anger.

As for the yelling at an NRA rally it depends on what they are yelling and why but you know all this. Is that crowd singling out someone present? Are they shouting slurs? Are they holding their weapons in an aggressive manner?

Only one of those three (slurs) applied to the Philadelphia incident, if you were trying to draw a parallel. So, if you go to an NRA rally, and you see people with guns yelling about "Communists" trying to take your guns, do you get fearful (sorry, angry)? I'd wager not.

Stop trying to play political games.

I haven't mentioned politics.

I care that they are members of a hate group, in full gear yelling racial slurs and brandishing weapons.

Is it important that the slurs be racial? Because outside of that, you're describing an NRA meeting.

You can argue semantics all you want ...

No semantics involved. Just perception.

 

[One Brow]

Does this change anyone's stance on the proposed gun control regulations, assuming it's true?

Unless you limit the number of guns a person can own (and no one is proposing that), I agree there is nothing that could be done to stop a situation exactly like Newtown. However, since future situations will not be exactly like Newtown, I think we can make a few changes to reduce the damage that can be done.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Unless you limit the number of guns a person can own (and no one is proposing that), I agree there is nothing that could be done to stop a situation exactly like Newtown. However, since future situations will not be exactly like Newtown, I think we can make a few changes to reduce the damage that can be done.

Well since it was Newtown that prompted these changes, if the changes wouldn't have prevented it then there is no reason to consider them.

 

[Stoked]

It's the fear that leads to anger. I'm presuming that when a toddler says they'll spank you, you get amused, not angry. T%hat's because the toddler poses no threat, so there is no fear to convert to anger.



Only one of those three (slurs) applied to the Philadelphia incident, if you were trying to draw a parallel. So, if you go to an NRA rally, and you see people with guns yelling about "Communists" trying to take your guns, do you get fearful (sorry, angry)? I'd wager not.



I haven't mentioned politics.



Is it important that the slurs be racial? Because outside of that, you're describing an NRA meeting.



No semantics involved. Just perception.

I can see that you are in one of your moods and truly have no desire to debate. Your goal at this point is simply to twist words to suit your purpose. For that you must find another poster.

Good day.