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I would totally prefer a SG/PG who can shoot and a guy in the middle to pound the ball in the paint rather than a Memo type of player.
 
Bwahahahahahahahaha.

Is that you KOC? Whatever you do, please, please, please don't make any moves this summer that will allow us to find out what this team can be when healthy.

Please.

I think you are forgetting this isn't NBA 2k13. You don't just make a terrible trade to see what might happen. Especially when you can let him walk at the end of the season and keep your $$ to sign someone you actually want.
 
Bargnani sucks. Yeah, get Durant and we are the best team ever, but how is that ever going to happen? Also, Durant is not what you would call a legit 6'10" in a traditional sense, he is super skinny and can only play PF in spot situations. He gets pushed around on defense too much. He is a freak of nature small forward.

What is your philosophy on why we would be better with a big man who can shoot? I think we need to have a better option than throwing out 3 or 4 of basically the same players in our big man rotation, but I am not sold on the stretch 4 yet.

I think Kanter is the perfect example. He's a bang in inside type player, but he can also step out and hit the 12/15 footer when required. The last thing you want is a PF/C who's supposed to be rebounding the ball living it up large near the 3pt line.

Unless he's DEADLY like Nowitzki who gets like what, 40% of this 3's? You live with that.
 
I think you are forgetting this isn't NBA 2k13. You don't just make a terrible trade to see what might happen. Especially when you can let him walk at the end of the season and keep your $$ to sign someone you actually want.

What FA is out there this summer that KOC is holding out for? Who is worth 10 million that the Jazz can sign?

Please, enlighten me.
 
What FA is out there this summer that KOC is holding out for? Who is worth 10 million that the Jazz can sign?

Please, enlighten me.

I think the jazz will come into next year well below payroll minimums. They have until next year's deadline to meet those minimums, so they'll just take picks and players in February. They could have has many as 8 players on their rookie deals + Evans + Carroll. Tons of space and ability to bail out teams about to get hammered by the new tax. We could nab some good players + picks for the loaded 2014 class.

I'm still waiting for confirmation about whether a Millsap signing bonus would count toward those minimum numbers. If so, a lot of that space can be invested with a big splash for Paul with maximum declines in pay going forward.

In other words, I don't think we are gearing up for a spending bonanza. We're playing for space through next year's deadline.
 
I think the jazz will come into next year well below payroll minimums. They have until next year's deadline to meet those minimums, so they'll just take picks and players in February. They could have has many as 8 players on their rookie deals + Evans + Carroll. Tons of space and ability to bail out teams about to get hammered by the new tax. We could nab some good players + picks for the loaded 2014 class.

I'm still waiting for confirmation about whether a Millsap signing bonus would count toward those minimum numbers. If so, a lot of that space can be invested with a big splash for Paul with maximum declines in pay going forward.

In other words, I don't think we are gearing up for a spending bonanza. We're playing for space through next year's deadline.

You guys probably already discussed this **** after the deadline passed. But, I wasn't around those days, so...

Who should I PM to get the skinny about what's really going on? I mean, Hack's multiple threads per day are awesome and everything, but I'm craving some substance.
 
You guys probably already discussed this **** after the deadline passed. But, I wasn't around those days, so...

Who should I PM to get the skinny about what's really going on? I mean, Hack's multiple threads per day are awesome and everything, but I'm craving some substance.

That actually makes a little sense...

GVC has talked a lot about it recently. Search his posts.
 
That actually makes a little sense...

GVC has talked a lot about it recently. Search his posts.

It's the ONLY thing that makes sense. I'll be bitching like crazy if something else unfolds.

The only GOOD thing to come out of our recent inaction is the fact that we now know the strategy of our FO:

The longest con evar + the hope/risk that their IS a bounty of players and picks AND they pan out.

If we over-stock on vets and make no moves next year, I'll burn my fan card.
 
I think the jazz will come into next year well below payroll minimums. They have until next year's deadline to meet those minimums, so they'll just take picks and players in February. They could have has many as 8 players on their rookie deals + Evans + Carroll. Tons of space and ability to bail out teams about to get hammered by the new tax. We could nab some good players + picks for the loaded 2014 class.

I'm still waiting for confirmation about whether a Millsap signing bonus would count toward those minimum numbers. If so, a lot of that space can be invested with a big splash for Paul with maximum declines in pay going forward.

In other words, I don't think we are gearing up for a spending bonanza. We're playing for space through next year's deadline.
There are no true payroll minimums. If teams are below the minimum payroll at the end of the year, they pay their players the balance.

And I'm pretty sure signing bonuses count toward the minimum payroll, which makes signing bonuses valuable for teams that won't reach the minimum. Teams have to pay the minimum regardless, and the salary savings relative to cap hit probably makes players with signing bonuses more valuable for trade purposes.
 
There are no true payroll minimums. If teams are below the minimum payroll at the end of the year, they pay their players the balance.

Yeah, I get this. Definitely an important (non)wrinkle.

And I'm pretty sure signing bonuses count toward the minimum payroll, which makes signing bonuses valuable for teams that won't reach the minimum. Teams have to pay the minimum regardless, and the salary savings relative to cap hit probably makes players with signing bonuses more valuable for trade purposes.

PM me if you ever move from "pretty sure" to "certain." I'm sure you'll learn about this before I do. Thanks.
 
Foye is garbage. Utah was thinking the right thing by getting him but he turned out to be a dud. We need a legit 6'10 3 point threat. THats all that he would do. I cant think of anyone off the top of my head but there are a handful of players like this in the league. This would alleviate the double team on our bigs

If all you want is a long SF to shoot 3s you could pick up Dorrell Wright cheap. Something tells me we want a bit more than that though.

More shooters---Mike Dunleavy, Anthony Morrow, ...
 
PM me if you ever move from "pretty sure" to "certain." I'm sure you'll learn about this before I do. Thanks.
Unfortunately, Larry Coon doesn't give too many details on what's included (other than "monies paid") in team payroll. I'd guess signing bonuses are included based on what Coon writes. The NBAPA hasn't made the new CBA available yet, but the language is probably the same in the 2005 CBA (when minimum team payroll was 75% of the cap).

https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q15
 
I thought I read that "signing bonuses" are for salary purposes ignored and the salary that would actually have been paid without the signing bonus is what the cap hit is.
 
I thought I read that "signing bonuses" are for salary purposes ignored and the salary that would actually have been paid without the signing bonus is what the cap hit is.
We're talking about team payroll, not team salary.

Signing bonuses count equally over each year of the contract for cap purposes (team salary).
 
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