Brian Shaw a viable candidate for next Head Coach?

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't have much opinion on what kind of coach he is .. x's and o's.. but I do know that most everybody likes and respects him. He's thought of as a cool dude. Sometimes that's bad, but in this case I think it's good.

He was also a PG, mainly, and could stroke it.. maybe he'd rub off.

So basically he is in the exact same position as Corbin?

Both former players under legendary coaches,
Went on to be assistant apprentices to said legendary coach
Both coaches were assistant in very specific and handcrafted systems
Both seen as a "player's coach" to the more hard-lined head coaches they coached under.

Difference is that Utah actually had faith in their apprentice and gave him the job. They will see that commitment all the way through until next season before making a decision. The Lakers should have done the same thing, instead they went to Mike Brown, who failed, then D'Antoni, who is underachieving.

These threads are a year premature.

 

[Dr. Jones]

So basically he is in the exact same position as Corbin?
Both former players under legendary coaches,
Went on to be assistant apprentices to said legendary coach
Both coaches were assistant in very specific and handcrafted systems
Both seen as a "player's coach" to the more hard-lined head coaches they coached under.

Difference is that Utah actually had faith in their apprentice and gave him the job. They will see that commitment all the way through until next season before making a decision. The Lakers should have done the same thing, instead they went to Mike Brown, who failed, then D'Antoni, who is underachieving.

These threads are a year premature.

Intellectually dishonest to pretend that statement must make them of the same coaching ability.

I said in my first sentence that I have no opinion of Shaw's coaching ability.. but to suggest the two must be similar coaches because of the similar route is ridiculous.

 

[Siro]

I know he played for Jerry, but I don't see Hornacek as being a coaching disciple of Sloan. I think he's smarter and more adaptable than Ty.

And how do you know this? If you want the team to go for another mild manner Sloanite with zero coaching experience, I hope you have a solid basis for your opinion, and not something like feelings or instinct.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Intellectually dishonest to pretend that statement must make them of the same coaching ability.

I said in my first sentence that I have no opinion of Shaw's coaching ability.. but to suggest the two must be similar coaches because of the similar route is ridiculous.

Wasn't saying that, but a lot of people were flaming the Jazz FO for ever promoting internally to a coach who had 0 HC experience. Just pointing out it would have probably been best for the Lakers to do what the Jazz did. Instead they went out and signed 2 high profile HC's, 1 who failed and another who is underachieving.

Also, doesn't that reflect poorly on the Shaw if the Laker's FO didn't have confidence to promote him (despite Kobe practically begging for it)? I know Vogel is praising him, but that is certainty at least part courtesy praise because they work together/are friends.

 

[nightmare3983]

And how do you know this? If you want the team to go for another mild manner Sloanite with zero coaching experience, I hope you have a solid basis for your opinion, and not something like feelings or instinct.

1. Hornacek worked mainly as a shooting coach while Sloan was still coaching, meaning he didn't work with Jerry as closely as Ty
2. ANYONE has to be smarter and more adaptable than Ty
3. Even from the brief interviews he sometimes does at halftime, I get the impression he knows more about what he's doing than Ty.

 

[carolinajazz]

Phil Johnson can coach. What's his problem?

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...didn't he ride off into the sunset with SLoan? HE's through messing with these knucklehead hopper types....with or without tattoo's!

 

[gregbroncs]

We need a coach that can take mediocre players and make them premier competitors....and.....give us a good post game interview. It all adds up to Stan Van Gundy!!! Look what he did for the Magic with that goofy clown Dwight Howard at center!!! Plus, if we sign Stan, we might attract Howard to SLC! Save our franchise, keep the team from moving!

You do realize that Howard intentionally got SVG fired from Orlando? Why would he want to sign for a team that hired the coach he got fired?

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

What's Nate McMillan doing these days?

Also Maurice Cheeks was okay as a head coach in Portland, and now he assists in OKC.

 

[nightmare3983]

Also, doesn't that reflect poorly on the Shaw if the Laker's FO didn't have confidence to promote him (despite Kobe practically begging for it)? I know Vogel is praising him, but that is certainty at least part courtesy praise because they work together/are friends.

That may reflect poorly on the Lakers' FO more than anything. It's well known that Jim Buss doesn't care for Phil Jackson and his smugness. I think wanting to get away from anything associated with Phil was a big factor in Shaw not getting the job.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

n

...didn't he ride off into the sunset with SLoan? HE's through messing with these knucklehead hopper types....with or without tattoo's!

Okay, but he's still part of the Jazz org. and does telecasts, or at least he did last year.

 

[nightmare3983]

Okay, but he's still part of the Jazz org. and does telecasts, or at least he did last year.

Which of course is FAR different than coaching.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

That may reflect poorly on the Lakers' FO more than anything. It's well known that Jim Buss doesn't care for Phil Jackson and his smugness. I think wanting to get away from anything associated with Phil was a big factor in Shaw not getting the job.

Of course it could go either way, no way of really knowing how much politics were involved.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

What's Nate McMillan doing these days?

Also Maurice Cheeks was okay as a head coach in Portland, and now he assists in OKC.

I would actually like McMillan if Ty ever gets fired/not extended. I think I remember stories out of Portland saying that the players were ended up kind of hating him though.

Reading a news story on him he sounds like Corbin, or he sounds like the criticism of Corbin....

Critics chided McMillan for having a predictable and unimaginative offense and criticized his inability to make in-game adjustments.

 

[Siro]

1. Hornacek worked mainly as a shooting coach while Sloan was still coaching, meaning he didn't work with Jerry as closely as Ty
2. ANYONE has to be smarter and more adaptable than Ty
3. Even from the brief interviews he sometimes does at halftime, I get the impression he knows more about what he's doing than Ty.

1. He played under Sloan for a big chunk of his career. And he never coached a basketball team. You're basically saying that his exposure to Sloan and Corbin was not total, so that will magically make him an independent and capable coach. I don't think so.
2. Again, I don't want ANYBODY. I want a ****ing coach. Is that too much to ask?
3. LOL. And Ty is a computer engineer with experience working at IBM. I'll take that as a better evidence for intelligence than looking a bit less clueless in 20 second interviews.

I cannot believe this "Hornacek might make a good coach" suddenly became popular on the forums. I hadn't heard it before last week. I am inclined to find out who was the first to mention it so that I can neg rep the **** out of them.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

1. He played under Sloan for a big chunk of his career. And he never coached a basketball team. You're basically saying that his exposure to Sloan and Corbin was not total, so that will magically make him an independent and capable coach. I don't think so.
2. Again, I don't want ANYBODY. I want a ****ing coach. Is that too much to ask?
3. LOL. And Ty is a computer engineer with experience working at IBM. I'll take that as a better evidence for intelligence than looking a bit less clueless in 20 second interviews.

I cannot believe this "Hornacek might make a good coach" suddenly became popular on the forums. I hadn't heard it before last week. I am inclined to find out who was the first to mention it so that I can neg rep the **** out of them.

It's the "grass is always greener" mentality. We are in a very low point of the season, so everyone is super down on Corbin.

 

[Dr. Jones]

1. He played under Sloan for a big chunk of his career. And he never coached a basketball team. You're basically saying that his exposure to Sloan and Corbin was not total, so that will magically make him an independent and capable coach. I don't think so.
2. Again, I don't want ANYBODY. I want a ****ing coach. Is that too much to ask?
3. LOL. And Ty is a computer engineer with experience working at IBM. I'll take that as a better evidence for intelligence than looking a bit less clueless in 20 second interviews.

I cannot believe this "Hornacek might make a good coach" suddenly became popular on the forums. I hadn't heard it before last week. I am inclined to find out who was the first to mention it so that I can neg rep the **** out of them.

vsclice

 

[CitizenofCapua]

Of course it could go either way, no way of really knowing how much politics were involved.

I think coaches like Mike Brown has made better name for themselves to work over an apprentice like Shaw especially in a big market. It seemed like the better option that day but maybe theyre regretful for making this decision. Who knows?

 

[CitizenofCapua]

I hate double posts.

 

[Dr. Jones]

It's the "grass is always greener" mentality. We are in a very low point of the season, so everyone is super down on Corbin.

I have always been down on him.. since day 1.. mainly gut to begin with, I admit.

Having said that, I am in no hurry to rush a hire. A team can't fire two guys back-to-back without becoming far less appealing as a coaching destination.

 

[nightmare3983]

1. He played under Sloan for a big chunk of his career. And he never coached a basketball team. You're basically saying that his exposure to Sloan and Corbin was not total, so that will magically make him an independent and capable coach. I don't think so.
2. Again, I don't want ANYBODY. I want a ****ing coach. Is that too much to ask?
3. LOL. And Ty is a computer engineer with experience working at IBM. I'll take that as a better evidence for intelligence than looking a bit less clueless in 20 second interviews.

I cannot believe this "Hornacek might make a good coach" suddenly became popular on the forums. I hadn't heard it before last week. I am inclined to find out who was the first to mention it so that I can neg rep the **** out of them.

Well, are you saying there's no chance that he might make a head coach? It's not wrong to think that he MIGHT.

EDIT: Also, Hornacek has to be taking notes of all of Corbin's mistakes. That has to count for something.