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Corbin's Agent Tweeting: "media out there who think Corbin is in any trouble have NO c lue"

I would fire my agent if they did something like this or tried to convince me it was a sound idea and I would for several reasons.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Or you can look at the record because it reflects everything you just said and is ultimately what matters as it is objective.
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No it isn't, because you have to subjectively judge what the record should have been, given the personnel on the roster. Even then, the estimate of what the team's record should have been is subjective, and varies depending on what the team's goal was for that season.

For example, the Bobcats are currently 19-61. Should Coach Dunlap be fired for this record? According to you, yes, this is absolute and a bad record equates to a bad coach. But the reality is that a judgement based purely on record depends on whether you think they have won more or less games than their talent level indicates. But given the Bobcats are rebuilding, the team's goal at the start of the year was almost certainly to improve the young players on the roster. When you factor this in, then you probably allow Dunlap some slack in the W column. However, even so, the final judgement on Dunlap also depends on whether he has done a good job of developing his young players, both through teaching them at training and by giving them minutes during games. Ultimately, the W column reflects his abilities as a game-day coach, and player development reflects his abilities as a teaching coach. A head coach should be good at both, and that's how Dunlap's season will be judged, not just his W-L record.

How do we apply this to Corbin? The first question, the season-long elephant in the room, about which we Jazzfanz have bickered with each other (and with ourselves) over the season, is what was the goal of the season, as set by management (i.e. Greg and KOC)? It either had to be "improve on last season and finish higher than the 8th seed" or "develop the young players, who cares about the W column". Given we traded for Mo and signed Foye, then kept both Jefferson and Millsap all season, I'm leaning to option (a), but whichever it was (or should have been), the fact we can only finish in the 8th seed at best right now is an indicator of failure - we are no better than last season, can only be worse, and have done very little to improve our youth either. And we can easily point to game-day failures on Ty's part to explain our appalling road record, such as our losses in Cleveland, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia, plus I'm sure there were others, I recall a post someone made that included a list of at least a half-dozen such losses, and I agreed with every one being on Ty's poor decision-making. So our record is less than expected, and we are at least 6 games shy in the W column thanks to our head coach - 6 wins which would give us 48 wins and the 6th seed right now, plus a shot at a 50-win season.

The second question is how is he as a development coach? There have been one or two things that indicate teaching has been happening in practice - Kanter stopped bringing the ball down after an o-board, and Burks became a PG, for example - but the court time of the young players has been too erratic for them to make any real strides. When they have played, their improvement has been evident, but too often has been followed by a 5-10-minute cameo appearance in subsequent games, when they have clearly earned more court time. Again, even allowing for the fact that the front office apparently did not make player development his priority this season, in my subjective view, Corbin did not do enough to develop the younger players in the team.

In summary, Corbin is a poor game-day coach, and a poor development coach, who has neither improved our standings in the present nor developed our youth for the future. He needs to be replaced before we waste another season.
 
The agent's tweets are the only thing that has me thinking ty's job might actually be in trouble. He's given credibility to the rumor he's responding to.
 
Mantis said:
No it isn't, because you have to subjectively judge what the record should have been, given the personnel on the roster. Even then, the estimate of what the team's record should have been is subjective, and varies depending on what the team's goal was for the season.
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Okay. Yeah, of course. I guess there is relative objectivity, then. Consesus is helpful there as well. I haven't heard or read anyone say the quality of the roster was worse or really even equal to last year's team. The guys they brought in were good fits and should've been significant improvements over the guys they replaced, and The Four by every indication and shred of common sense should themselves be improved. Corbin had a full offseason (in addition to coaching an entire [albeit lockout-shortened] season leading up to that so he could get a better picture of what he wanted and didn't want to do) to prepare his team. He is/was also early enough in his coaching development that you could believe HE would improve in every facet without even considering what were clear advantages heading into this season vs his previous ones.

Subjectively, anyone that's half-intelligent and honest can say that the team hasn't improved in any real way based on the record. That it is reflected in the details only makes that picture clearer.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Okay. Yeah, of course. I guess there is relative objectivity, then. Consesus is helpful there as well. I haven't heard or read anyone say the quality of the roster was worse or really even equal to last year's team. The guys they brought in were good fits and should've been significant improvements over the guys they replaced, and The Four by every indication and shred of common sense should themselves be improved. Corbin had a full offseason (in addition to coaching an entire [albeit lockout-shortened] season leading up to that so he could get a better picture of what he wanted and didn't want to do) to prepare his team. He is/was also early enough in his coaching development that you could believe HE would improve in every facet without even considering what were clear advantages heading into this season vs his previous ones.

Subjectively, anyone that's half-intelligent and honest can say that the team hasn't improved in any real way based on the record. That it is reflected in the details only makes that picture clearer.
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*big fist-bump*
WIN
 
Of course he's not extremely secure or he wouldn't have even tweeted this. He would have ignored it if he was completely safe.

I don't think Corbin's on the verge of being fired, but I think the front office will take a long hard look over the offseason (if we miss the playoffs).
 
Can someone please explain to me what the agent meant by his comment on roster selection being dependent on cap space?
 
Siro said:
Can someone please explain to me what the agent meant by his comment on roster selection being dependent on cap space?
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Maybe it was a comment on the Jazz adding a lot of players with 1 year contracts to better position themselves for next year?
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Maybe it was a comment on the Jazz adding a lot of players with 1 year contracts to better position themselves for next year?
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The comment was a response to the charge that Corbin is unable to build an effective rotation that he can stick to, despite more than 2 years as the headcoach. It might be the hangover, but I just can't make the connection to your explanation.
 
gregbroncs said:
I have little doubt this is the case. While I generally think the FO does a good job, they are way to loyal to their coaches.
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He should be fired. He should not be safe. He should be feeling the heat. None of those things happen with this frachise.
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Greg is not Larry, he does not care about the product on the court. He is friendly with Corbin as therefore Corbin is probably safe as long as he wants to be. Greg only cares about the fans as long as they are paying for gear and games. This last paragraph is my belief.
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This is not the franchise I grew up watching. It's getting more and more difficult to care about them. I might just start watching the Thunder instead. At least they play a fun brand of basketball to watch.
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did you see the warriors play recently
 
Ben10 said:
This isn't news to most of us. Anyone who really thinks Corbin was going to be let go this offseason if we didn't make the playoffs was just fooling themselves.

Corbins job this year was to win as many games as possible with the roster he was given. I really think the Jazz turn it over to the young guys next year and that they wanted them playing on a team that was competing this year so they could see how much effort its going to take to win once they are handed the reins.

Fans are impatiant. The FO isn't. If they felt that next year was the year to really start the rebuild when all of the Vet contracts come off the books then Corbin is doing the Job that the FO gave him to do.

After next year Corbin might be sweating his job if he doesn't improve in a few areas.
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well HE FAILED!!!!.

this roster should have won 50 games EASY!
 
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