TCU A 30 Point Favorite vs. BYU

[7StraightIsGreat]

Because we watch the games?

Nope. It's because you are a blind homer to the tenth degree- and even you have admitted this fairly recently. I've seen BYU teams that are loaded with talent, and I've never shied away from admitting as such. Hell, it's almost funner hating a talented BYU team. I'm just saying, this team is devoid of talent and they're going to continue getting kicked around until they find a way to fix that.

 

[SaltyDawg]

LOL.

Great comeback. You still haven't shown any post where someone actually said that BYU WAS ON PAR W/TCU.

Still waiting. It's ok if you don't actually respond and "disappear" and don't come back until the next Utah game or Direct TV discussion. I understand.

It's also funny that you're calling me a troll, since you only appear under those two subjects to either rip comcast or BYU. All well! Whatever floats your boat!

In this very thread duck is saying there is a chance BYU pushes TCU around. That is not going to happen. Period.

Now, since you want to play the troll role, show me where I showed up in a Comcast thread. I have no idea what you're talking about, and you obviously don't have any idea what you're talking about either.

I guess it's easier for you to go full time troll (retard) than it is to be accepted. Better you than me.

 

[The Thriller]

In this very thread duck is saying there is a chance BYU pushes TCU around. That is not going to happen. Period.

Now, since you want to play the troll role, show me where I showed up in a Comcast thread. I have no idea what you're talking about, and you obviously don't have any idea what you're talking about either.

I guess it's easier for you to go full time troll (retard) than it is to be accepted. Better you than me.

Pushing a defensive line around because you have the heaviest offensive line in the conference doesn't mean anything.

BYU has always been one of the most physical defensive and offensive lines in the conference. But that doesn't mean that they're ON PAR with TCU.

In fact, your lack of Football knowledge is really showing here. On defense, the name of the game is to get off blocks asap and swarm as a unit. This is why the best units aren't the biggest, but the fastest. So yes, BYU might physically push TCU's defensive line all over the place. Hughes last year was anything but a run stopper. It's all about speed.

So again, BYU having a size advantage up front might help aid their lack of quickness. But it's a far cry from saying that they're ON PAR with TCU.

Still waiting for your ON PAR quote.

And waiting and waiting.... Troll.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Pushing a defensive line around because you have the heaviest offensive line in the conference doesn't mean anything.

BYU has always been one of the most physical defensive and offensive lines in the conference. But that doesn't mean that they're ON PAR with TCU.

In fact, your lack of Football knowledge is really showing here. On defense, the name of the game is to get off blocks asap and swarm as a unit. This is why the best units aren't the biggest, but the fastest. So yes, BYU might physically push TCU's defensive line all over the place. Hughes last year was anything but a run stopper. It's all about speed.

So again, BYU having a size advantage up front might help aid their lack of quickness. But it's a far cry from saying that they're ON PAR with TCU.

Still waiting for your ON PAR quote.

And waiting and waiting.... Troll.

So in your world pushing a team around, and playing a close game, on the road, doesn't make then on par with them? Not to mention claiming the talent gap isn't that big.

Still waiting for you to show me where I jumped into a Comcast thread...

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

Duck Wrote:.

BYU has this problem, they don't always let the best talent play.

I'm not going to argue if that's true or not, but if that were the case, everybody from the HC on down should be shown the door. The whole point of college football is to recruit the best talent possible, get that talent onto the field and try to win football games.

I really don't think BYU lacks the talent to beat good teams.

This is probably where we disagree the most. Many of the advantages BYU enjoyed during their WAC dominance are now gone and aside from the occasional highly rated mormon athlete (Heaps) I don't see BYU being a force in recruiting in the future. I think BYU has done an amazing job of stemming the tide, but I do think the football program has been on a very slow downhill slope for a while now. I do think years 2 and 3 of the Jake Heaps era can yield decent results but not the results BYU fans were used to during their "glory years". I just don't think the talent is there anymore. The DB's BYU recruits are usually players that are on the radar of the lower tier D1 schools. I think the same can be said about all of the skill positions. Yes, because of who BYU is they will stumble upon guys like Austin Collie or Dennis Pitta who weren't blue-chip recruits but turned out to flourish at BYU. The problem is, you need a constant influx of talent on a yearly basis in order to become a really good college football program. Finding diamonds in the rough here and there isn't going to amount to anything except maybe a pretty good season every so often.

 

[Bronco70]

BYU's "potential" is absolutely not good enough to make a game of it on the road against a top 5 team. They are going to get beat handily, in every facet of the game.

I'm not sure why you're telling me this. Am I not allowed a dissenting opinion?

There is a reason BYU is a 30 point underdog. The initial spread was not created by a bunch of Ute homers.

I don't recall stating (or implying) that it was. I'm not a wager pro like unto yourself, but I understand how the line works.

Let me ask you a question, Salty, in all seriousness: Do you actually enjoy watching sports, or is it more of a "serious business" approach? You don't seem to be the kind that just enjoys rooting for your team(s). Seems like you're almost incredulous that they would even bother playing the actual game, since - on paper - it's no contest.

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

Spread down to 29..... ZoMg!

 

[SaltyDawg]

I'm not sure why you're telling me this. Am I not allowed a dissenting opinion?



I don't recall stating (or implying) that it was. I'm not a wager pro like unto yourself, but I understand how the line works.

Let me ask you a question, Salty, in all seriousness: Do you actually enjoy watching sports, or is it more of a "serious business" approach? You don't seem to be the kind that just enjoys rooting for your team(s). Seems like you're almost incredulous that they would even bother playing the actual game, since - on paper - it's no contest.

#1: Of course you're allowed an opinion. And just like you are allowed to disagree with my opinion, I'm allowed to disagree with yours.

#2: Yes, of course I enjoy watching sports. Just because I think BYU sucks and TCU is very good, you wonder if I enjoy watching sports? Dude, I hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of people who even care about this game expect BYU to get blown out in epic fashion. That's why the spread opened around 30 points. You may be soft on BYU, but rest assured, you are the one that should be getting asked if you even watch sports if you're predicting a close game, not me for predicting a blowout.

BYU is coming off a 3 point win, at home, against a mediocre team, after the BYU homers in the replay booth used a bad call to keep BYU's game winning drive alive (should have been a fumble, and they have been suspended for blowing the call). They are not ready to go out on the road against a top 5 team and not get destroyed. Even the BYU troll ogat predicted they are going to lose by at least 4 touchdowns. Heck, even you said you would feel differently if the SDSU outcome would have been different. Well, it was 1 "BYU homer in the replay booth giving homer call" away from being a different outcome. And those replay officials have all been suspended for it. And at least 1 of them is confirmed to be a BYU grad and employee of the BYU athletic department. They won't get that treatment at TCU.

 

[The Thriller]

So in your world pushing a team around, and playing a close game, on the road, doesn't make then on par with them? Not to mention claiming the talent gap isn't that big.

Comments from Duck:

I just happen to be going to Vegas this week so I'm going to drop a Geter on BYU covering that spread. I'm not saying BYU is going to win because I think they'll probably call too conservative a gamplan on the offensive side of the ball, but they'll definitely cover.

They're a different team. New DC, new players are playing. They essentially just pushed SDSU around in that game and ate up 3/4 of the game clock. SDSU's defense was highly ranked too, why do suppose that BYU won't be able to push TCU around a bit and eat clock? If they can do that half as well as in the SDSU game, 30+ is an impossibility.

But regardless, BYU needs some big plays to hang with TCU. They almost lost the SDSU by going too conservative with the playcalling. That obviously is not going to work @ TCU.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but where has Duck said this:

So in your world pushing a team around, and playing a close game, on the road, doesn't make then on par with them?

Seriously Salty, you might want to read what people have said before you jump to conclusions and put words in their mouths like BYU IS ON PAR W/TCU.

Consider yourself owned. And now you'll change the subject. Sigh...

I'm STILL waiting for you to find where someone has said that BYU is on PAR with TCU. The days almost over and you still have yet to show me.

 

[The Thriller]

So last week Bronco was horrible and needed to be fired, this week he is the savior that puts BYU on par with TCU...

lol, BYU fans will be calling for Bronco to be fired again aster TCU spanks BYU (and beats the spread).

There is no way BYU pushes TCU around. No chance. None.

Still waiting for Salty to find this quote for me. Salty? Where are you?

 

[SaltyDawg]

Still waiting for Salty to find this quote for me. Salty? Where are you?

Uh, here, from this page alone...

I would argue that since TCU joined the MWC, this is the biggest talent gap BYU has ever had when compared to the Horned Frogs. How is it that the majority of BYU fans don't see that as well?

Because we watch the games?

I really don't think BYU lacks the talent to beat good teams.

You can stop trolling now. If duck thought I was putting words in his mouth he'd say it himself.

 

[The Thriller]

Uh, here, from this page alone...

I would argue that since TCU joined the MWC, this is the biggest talent gap BYU has ever had when compared to the Horned Frogs. How is it that the majority of BYU fans don't see that as well?
Quote Originally Posted by Duck Rodgers View Post
Because we watch the games?
Quote Originally Posted by Duck Rodgers View Post
I really don't think BYU lacks the talent to beat good teams.

You can stop trolling now. If duck thought I was putting words in his mouth he'd say it himself.

Clearly seeing in every single post that BYU is ON PAR with TCU. Clearly. BYU is totally going to win on Saturday, just as those quotes above predicted. Clearly.

How am I a troll by asking you to backup your jackass opinion that someone said that BYU is on PAR with TCU? You said it, now back it up. Dude, your true lack character and courage is showing. You're the one trolling by posting things that don't exist just to generate an anti BYU response.

For someone that could care less about BYU, you sure are posting a lot about them.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Clearly seeing in every single post that BYU is ON PAR with TCU. Clearly. BYU is totally going to win on Saturday, just as those quotes above predicted. Clearly.

I said someone predicted a BYU win? Show me where I said that, troll. You produce the quote if it really exists.

 

[The Thriller]

I said someone predicted a BYU win? Show me where I said that, troll. You produce the quote if it really exists.

Sorry, "keep it close" then.

Still waiting for you to show me the par quote. Consider yourself owned man. You're my property. I could use some more soft toilet paper too, thanks!

 

[Shad]

Well, this is an easy thread. BYU gets destroyed like always 49-14

 

[SaltyDawg]

Sorry, "keep it close" then.

Still waiting for you to show me the par quote. Consider yourself owned man. You're my property. I could use some more soft toilet paper too, thanks!

Show me where I said "on par" was a direct quote, troll. Produce the quote if it exists, troll.

Duck clearly implied that he thought the game would be close, several times. And that, to me, means he thinks BYU is on par with TCU ( predicting BYU will go to TCU and playing them close can't mean too many other things). If that is not what he meant, he can correct me. Since he has posted and not corrected he, I assume my interpretation is correct.

 

[The Thriller]

Show me where I said "on par" was a direct quote, troll. Produce the quote if it exists, troll.

Duck clearly implied that he thought the game would be close, several times. And that, to me, means he thinks BYU is on par with TCU ( predicting BYU will go to TCU and playing them close can't mean too many other things). If that is not what he meant, he can correct me. Since he has posted and not corrected he, I assume my interpretation is correct.

Where did he say it was going to be close? He just said that they'd cover the 30. So if BYU ends up losing by 27, does that make it close to you in your world?

You also said,

this week he is the savior that puts BYU on par with TCU...

Please, show me where somebody said that.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Where did he say it was going to be close? He just said that they'd cover the 30. So if BYU ends up losing by 27, does that make it close to you in your world?

You also said,

Please, show me where somebody said that.

You interpret what duck said differently than I do. Again, the man can speak for himself. If he thinks I am putting words in his mouth, he can correct me. But you are not some authority on it, so stop your trolling.

Again, if he is predicting BYU to go to TCU, push them around, and play a close game, while saying the talent gap isn't that big, and saying BYU has the talent to beat good teams, then I think the message is obvious.

 

[The Thriller]

You interpret what duck said differently than I do. Again, the man can speak for himself. If he thinks I am putting words in his mouth, he can correct me. But you are not some authority on it, so stop your trolling.

Again, if he is predicting BYU to go to TCU, push them around, and play a close game, while saying the talent gap isn't that big, and saying BYU has the talent to beat good teams, then I think the message is obvious.

 

[Bronco70]

#1: Of course you're allowed an opinion. And just like you are allowed to disagree with my opinion, I'm allowed to disagree with yours.

I certainly don't disagree with that, but you just keep restating your position. I'm familiar with it. I understand it. But I am not speaking in a cold, statistically clinical sense. I am speaking on an emotional level - which is completely lost on you, apparently. That's fine. I'm down with it. But please try to understand what I'm saying before you come back with yet another robotic analysis of the futility of BYU's efforts.

you are the one that should be getting asked if you even watch sports if you're predicting a close game, not me for predicting a blowout.

Two things:

1. I don't remember predicting a close game. I predicted that BYU would cover. They can, simultaneously, cover the spread and get blown out. I guess it depends on what your definition of "blow out" is (personally, 24 points seems blown out to me). I did say that it was possible for BYU to make a game of it. This apparently means different things to each of us, also. To my thinking, if they cover, they've made a game of it. If they exceed expectations, they've made a game of it. If we aren't looking at TCU's 3rd string in the 3rd qtr, they've made a game of it.

2. I am growing seriously weary of you calling my fandom into question every time I post in a thread. Just because I am not a disciple of the Vegas book doesn't mean I'm not paying attention. You see things from a different perspective than I do. So that's that. I can appreciate your devotion to the numbers, but sometimes stuff doesn't go exactly like it's supposed to.

BYU covers.