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Twin Towers

Twin Towers

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I think everyone here wants Trey Burke to play at least 20 minutes a game the first part of the year. More if he is playing well obviously. So lets just say Trey Burke plays half the minutes at 24 minutes per game. Whoever we sign this off-season has to be willing to accept ONLY 24 minutes per game while also being able to accept less WHEN Trey becomes more ready. This Veteran could possibly only be playing 15-20 minutes per game.
Some might say well they could be used as a combo guard the way Jarrett Jack was used last year with Curry....... Not likely. I think the Jazz see Hayward as there starting 2 guard. And if you watched Hayward against the bigger SF's he got pushed around. He seems to have the length at the 2 to be more effective against most SG's and enough quickness to stay with them. Hayward can play a little SF but not full time if we want him to more effective.
So that leaves Burks playing the old James Harden role. So any PG we sign most likely will not be playing the combo role so Burks can get enough minutes.


Would demand too many minutes
Jeff Teague(Restricted)
Devin Harris
Jose Calderon
Jarrett Jack
Mo Williams
Nate Robinson

Players that would be willing to accepting 20 minutes a game or less
Darren Collison
Mike James
C.J. Watson
Jannero Pargo
Daniel Gibson
Will Bynum
D.J. Augustin
Chauncey Billups
Darius Morris
Keyon Dooling
Pablo Prigioni (Restricted)
Derek Fisher
Beno Udrih
Charles Jenkins
Royal Ivey
Eric Maynor
Toney Douglas (Restricted)
Sebastian Telfair
Jamaal Tinsley
Earl Watson
A.J. Price

I know its hard as fans to be realistic and settle for players that are not our ideal picks. But a trade is not likely because we only have Marvin Williams and nobody wants him unless its to dump a bad contract. And we don't want to trade our 1st round pick next year. So maybe trade a future 2nd round pick but I doubt we do that because we just did that to get Rudy Neto.

I could of missed somebody but here is the free agent list.
https://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8589693/nba-free-agents-2013-2014

Who do you want out of these options we have? And obviously there could be a sleeper who played overseas but I am too lazy to go through those.

I will take the players names listed after we get posts on this and create a POLL that we can all vote on. I could be wrong on the list of players willing to accept less minutes but give reasons why I am wrong because I don't see it as of right now.
 
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Twin Towers said:
I personally like these 3 guys. All can shoot and all of them are patient off of the pick and roll. Unlike the retard Mo Williams.

C.J. Watson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw9NFfjjso4

Toney Douglas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvUfgW91DqE

Pablo Prigioni
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aig1srwuFA8
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Watson and Douglas suck. Prigioni is going back to Argentina so he can be with his wife.

Black Jesus guys, it's like you're all purposefully choosing worse PG's than Trey so he's guaranteed the starting position. Let him at least compete for it... Seriously.
 
You can't just have stuff handed to you. That's not how you get better.
 
I like Teague very much but I don't want him now that we have Burke.
 
Tony said:
Watson and Douglas suck. Prigioni is going back to Argentina so he can be with his wife.

Black Jesus guys, it's like you're all purposefully choosing worse PG's than Trey so he's guaranteed the starting position. Let him at least compete for it... Seriously.
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Not purposely, so he gets the playing time dude.
If you were a player who just came off a good year and played 30 minutes a night would you go to a team where you will only play 20 minutes a night or even less if Trey Burke pans out? and to a city where most players don't want to play? along with a rebuilding team?

I think you are being unrealistic with thinking we can get players above this.
 
Tony said:
Watson and Douglas suck. Prigioni is going back to Argentina so he can be with his wife.

Black Jesus guys, it's like you're all purposefully choosing worse PG's than Trey so he's guaranteed the starting position. Let him at least compete for it... Seriously.
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it's pointless to compete in corbin's doghouse, you can be better or have the game of your life and this will not guarantee you extra minutes
 
bjunior said:
it's pointless to compete in corbin's doghouse, you can be better or have the game of your life and this will not guarantee you extra minutes
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Yes my point is from the players perspective why would they want to come here in comparison to other teams. This isn't NB2K.

Bjunior makes a great point also about not getting extra minutes because Corbin has preconceived notions about players abilities and young players.
 
Calderon is still the best option to mentor Burke.
I doubt Burke will be starting right off the bat, especially with Sloan as an advisor.

Solid point guard, that happened to have a triple double last year while also working his way back to health.
 
Twin Towers said:
Yes my point is from the players perspective why would they want to come here in comparison to other teams. This isn't NB2K.

Bjunior makes a great point also about not getting extra minutes because Corbin has preconceived notions about players abilities and young players.
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I think you all have preconceived notions about Corbin just because he was trying to play to win because in his mind his job was on the line.

I mean seriously, Corbin has said that the team is going to start running a lot more pick and roll to play off Burke's strengths. That doesn't sound like a coach who's gonna play him a limited amount of minutes regardless of what skill level the starting point guard coming in is gonna have. And Corbin said it perfectly, they have to give Trey time to get comfortable because there's already going to be so much pressure from the media and fans, they can't just throw him out to the wolves, it's a different level of competition.
 
Trey will get plenty of minutes as a backup point guard when the season starts. When it gets further and further into the season he'll get more and more minutes. This is his FIRST season. He has many more so a few games from one season isn't going to turn him down to the organization.
 
Tony said:
Trey will get plenty of minutes as a backup point guard when the season starts. When it gets further and further into the season he'll get more and more minutes. This is his FIRST season. He has many more so a few games from one season isn't going to turn him down to the organization.
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Agreed.
Burke will get minutes, but it'll be off of the bench.
Deron "the allmighty" Williams also started his career off of the bench.
 
Tony said:
Trey will get plenty of minutes as a backup point guard when the season starts. When it gets further and further into the season he'll get more and more minutes. This is his FIRST season. He has many more so a few games from one season isn't going to turn him down to the organization.
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You are still not addressing it from the players perspective. These free agents.

If you were these players like Calderon, Jack etc....... Why would you come to Utah and play 20 minutes a night? When other teams will pay you to play 30?

Doesn't matter if he starts or not. If Burke comes in he will play 20 minutes a night minimum. So if we signed Calderon or Jack they could possibly play 28 minutes a night if Burke got his playing time. If the whole season stayed this way and the 2nd year and the 3rd year that player (Calderon or Jack) would be very happy.

But like you just said and I agree Burke will "get more and more minutes." so any player that signs here knows Burke is the future and his minutes will be ramping up. Would any of these proven veterans want to play 15-20 minutes a night the 2nd half of the season? Or lets say he isn't ready until next season would you want to come play only 15-20 minutes the following season. These players aren't retarded. They aren't going to just come here because we want them to. They know they are 2nd fiddle to Burke even if they start. They will know they aren't valued very high in managements eyes.

Not to mention we are rebuilding and most Veterans aren't attracted to that or Salt Lake City.

Only way we can get a better Veteran than the ones I listed is making a trade for a team trying to clear cap space. I am all for it but you haven't listed any reasons why someone like Jack would even want to come to Utah to play less minutes on a rebuilding team.
 
Twin Towers said:
You are still not addressing it from the players perspective. These free agents.

If you were these players like Calderon, Jack etc....... Why would you come to Utah and play 20 minutes a night? When other teams will pay you to play 30?

Doesn't matter if he starts or not. If Burke comes in he will play 20 minutes a night minimum. So if we signed Calderon or Jack they could possibly play 28 minutes a night if Burke got his playing time. If the whole season stayed this way and the 2nd year and the 3rd year that player (Calderon or Jack) would be very happy.

But like you just said and I agree Burke will "get more and more minutes." so any player that signs here knows Burke is the future and his minutes will be ramping up. Would any of these proven veterans want to play 15-20 minutes a night the 2nd half of the season? Or lets say he isn't ready until next season would you want to come play only 15-20 minutes the following season. These players aren't retarded. They aren't going to just come here because we want them to. They know they are 2nd fiddle to Burke even if they start. They will know they aren't valued very high in managements eyes.

Not to mention we are rebuilding and most Veterans aren't attracted to that or Salt Lake City.

Only way we can get a better Veteran than the ones I listed is making a trade for a team trying to clear cap space. I am all for it but you haven't listed any reasons why someone like Jack would even want to come to Utah to play less minutes on a rebuilding team.
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Misread what you said in your previous post. Sorry. Mmkay, bring Tinsley on in if other players have a problem with the playing time. He's a veteran player Dennis Lindsey was talking about, he's old as **** but knows more about the rights and wrongs better than maybe any other FA they could bring in. He could be a great mentor. "Wise, Old Man Tinsley." And he should know this system extremely well by now. He wouldn't be worried about minutes. He has huge respect and gratitude to the Jazz organization. Tinsley's my man. He fits the mold nearly perfectly to what Trey needs when he comes in and starts playing.
 
Tony said:
Misread what you said in your previous post. Sorry. Mmkay, bring Tinsley on in if other players have a problem with the playing time. He's a veteran player Dennis Lindsey was talking about, he's old as **** but knows more about the rights and wrongs better than maybe any other FA they could bring in. He could be a great mentor. "Wise, Old Man Tinsley." And he should know this system extremely well by now. He wouldn't be worried about minutes. He has huge respect and gratitude to the Jazz organization. Tinsley's my man. He fits the mold nearly perfectly to what Trey needs when he comes in and starts playing.
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I like Tinsely also but my preference is to use Tinsely as the 3rd option. More of a player coach. I personally like someone who can shoot better to spread the floor for our bigs down low. That is why I like players who can shoot and are PATIENT off the pick and roll which Watson and Douglas do. I am not huge fans but for 15-20 minutes a night I like them. If Tinsely out plays a guy like Watson than send Watson to the 3rd string. Let both Veterans put there time and energy into helping Burke.
 
I think Tinsley comes back as the 3rd PG and mentor to Burke. Since Trey is going to be the eventual starter - if not from Day 1 - I wouldn't mind the Jazz signing Calderon or Maynor. Huge difference between the two, I know. But Maynor knows the system. He'd have no problem starting for the first month or two, then sliding to backup. Or just coming in as the backup. My fear with Calderon is that he'll want too many minutes. He was averaging 30/per last year. What happens when Burke is playing 30+ and there's only 15-18 available every night?
 
Core4 said:
I think Tinsley comes back as the 3rd PG and mentor to Burke. Since Trey is going to be the eventual starter - if not from Day 1 - I wouldn't mind the Jazz signing Calderon or Maynor. Huge difference between the two, I know. But Maynor knows the system. He'd have no problem starting for the first month or two, then sliding to backup. Or just coming in as the backup. My fear with Calderon is that he'll want too many minutes. He was averaging 30 mins. last year. What happens when Burke is playing 30+ and there's only 15-18 available every night?
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I repped you for making good points. The only thing I am unsure about is Maynor. Look at his shooting percentages from the field and 3.

https://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/4001/eric-maynor

At first I thought he got worse because of injury and needed time but he never improved. He actually got worse after leaving our system. And even with our system he wasn't that good.
 
Twin Towers said:
I repped you for making good points. The only thing I am unsure about is Maynor. Look at his shooting percentages from the field and 3.

https://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/4001/eric-maynor

At first I thought he got worse because of injury and needed time but he never improved. He actually got worse after leaving.
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Understand. I see Maynor as a 2 month stop-gap until Burke is ready to start and play 30+ mins. I'm also assuming Neto is stashed for one season. So next year, barring us drafting a combo guard, Neto comes over and assumes the backup role (when ready). Maynor slides to #3 or is traded. And Tinsley is given a job in the organization. Add him to the player development staff so he can continue to guide Burke and work with Neto.

I'm really not concerned with how good/bad the Jazz do this season. I'm more concerned with the young guys getting minutes and the Jazz keeping finances in line. That's one of the reasons I didn't even mention Jack.
 
Tony said:
Trey will get plenty of minutes as a backup point guard when the season starts. When it gets further and further into the season he'll get more and more minutes. This is his FIRST season. He has many more so a few games from one season isn't going to turn him down to the organization.
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Wow! And you called us irrationale in another thread for hating on Ty.
 
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