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Following potential 2014 draftees

yeah i was really surprised to see birch mocked in the 2nd round...

will he get pushed around? also i mainly know khem birch from his pittsburg days, id hope hes been adding some weight, hes still blazingly fast running the floor right?
 
the other player who i see mocked in the 2nd round that doesnt make sense to me is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuTVjKqXn-U

dx's page says if he declared and was drafted this season, hed have been the first SF drafted into the nba whos hit 0 3's in college

Jakarr has the potential/tools to be a top notch defender in the nba.

He does a great job both contesting perimeter shots and sticking to his man like glue on drives to the basket, while his combination of length and athleticism make him theoretically capable of possibly defending all five positions at the college level. His isolation fundamentals, lateral quickness, and ability to stick with his man off the ball are all at extremely high levels, and he should be able to immediately contribute in this regard from day one collegiately.
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-dx
 
also i see Kyle Anderson mocked in the 2nd round... looks like UCLA did this kid and Shabazz a great disservice, thats a shame... i dont particularly care for what ive seen from Anderson but i know rivals is usually pretty damn good

their 2012 "top 150" list is really odd to look at, imo

1st Shabazz (falls to 14 in 1 year)
2nd Noel (falls to 6)
3rd Kyle Anderson (apparently falls to the 2nd round)
4th Isaiah Austin (apparently out of the lotto)
5th Steven Adams
6th Ricardo Ledo (falls to the 2nd round)
7th Anthony Bennett (#1 pick)
8th Alex Poythress (probably in the 20's)
9th Kaleb Tarczewski
10th Marcus Smart


they did locate a ton of the talent and put them in the top 40 of this list, but to me this list just seems more innacurate than most of theirs, due to the order
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
yeah i was really surprised to see birch mocked in the 2nd round...

will he get pushed around? also i mainly know khem birch from his pittsburg days, id hope hes been adding some weight, hes still blazingly fast running the floor right?
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He put on a lot of weight during his year off. Prolly closer to 210-215 now. I think he can get to 225 which would be ideal for the way he plays. Yeah he is crazy quick with amazing timing. Not just a rim protector, but great man to man as well. Last year was really his first year of experience. I liked him more than AB at times because he was always competing.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
also i see Kyle Anderson mocked in the 2nd round... looks like UCLA did this kid and Shabazz a great disservice, thats a shame... i dont particularly care for what ive seen from Anderson but i know rivals is usually pretty damn good

their 2012 "top 150" list is really odd to look at, imo

1st Shabazz (falls to 14 in 1 year)
2nd Noel (falls to 6)
3rd Kyle Anderson (apparently falls to the 2nd round)
4th Isaiah Austin (apparently out of the lotto)
5th Steven Adams
6th Ricardo Ledo (falls to the 2nd round)
7th Anthony Bennett (#1 pick)
8th Alex Poythress (probably in the 20's)
9th Kaleb Tarczewski
10th Marcus Smart


they did locate a ton of the talent and put them in the top 40 of this list, but to me this list just seems more innacurate than most of theirs, due to the order
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I don't think that's far off. Noel would be #1 or #2 in the draft if he didn't get injured. Ledo didn't play college ball. Bennett could have been drafted 4th - 7th. Poythress would have been drafted in the teens if he declared. Austin is a guy that needs to prove he has a clear position. Marcus Smart exceeded expectations. Kyle Anderson is still an interesting player.

Just because they're highly ranked prospects doesn't mean they need to enter the draft after their freshman year.
 
Catchall said:
I don't think that's far off. Noel would be #1 or #2 in the draft if he didn't get injured. Ledo didn't play college ball. Bennett could have been drafted 4th - 7th. Poythress would have been drafted in the teens if he declared. Austin is a guy that needs to prove he has a clear position. Marcus Smart exceeded expectations. Kyle Anderson is still an interesting player.

Just because they're highly ranked prospects doesn't mean they need to enter the draft after their freshman year.
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If I was a GM, his injury wouldn't be the thing that worries me. Ford said scouts and GM's told him the same thing.
 
Early 2014 Big Board for the Jazz:

1 Wiggins
2 Randle
3 Parker
4 Andrew Harrison
5 Gordon
6 Exum
7 Aaron Harrison
8 Vonleh

All those guys make the Jazz a better team. The first 5 or 6 would put us in the contender range.
 
Catchall said:
Early 2014 Big Board for the Jazz:

1 Wiggins
2 Randle
3 Parker
4 Andrew Harrison
5 Gordon
6 Exum
7 Aaron Harrison
8 Vonleh

All those guys make the Jazz a better team. The first 5 or 6 would put us in the contender range.
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Feels wierd to say but I want andrew harrison more tban everyone exceot wigfins
 
fishonjazz said:
Feels wierd to say but I want andrew harrison more tban everyone exceot wigfins
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Harrison looks like a bigger and better version of Deron, so no doubt he would be great mixed in with our current guys. We might also be able to get Poythress with our 2nd pick. So that would be another good strategy if we can't get Wiggins or Parker.
 
Catchall said:
Harrison looks like a bigger and better version of Deron, so no doubt he would be great mixed in with our current guys. We might also be able to get Poythress with our 2nd pick. So that would be another good strategy if we can't get Wiggins or Parker.
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Maybe we gey wiggins and harrison and oarker stays in school and we get gim with the othef warriors pick after he goes on his misnsion
 
Catchall said:
Early 2014 Big Board for the Jazz:

1 Wiggins
2 Randle
3 Parker
4 Andrew Harrison
5 Gordon
6 Exum
7 Aaron Harrison
8 Vonleh

All those guys make the Jazz a better team. The first 5 or 6 would put us in the contender range.
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Switch Parker and Randle.. and Aaron and Vonleh....

fishonjazz said:
Feels wierd to say but I want andrew harrison more tban everyone exceot wigfins
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Yeah .. ur valuinig him quite high but I get it.

Catchall said:
Harrison looks like a bigger and better version of Deron, so no doubt he would be great mixed in with our current guys. We might also be able to get Poythress with our 2nd pick. So that would be another good strategy if we can't get Wiggins or Parker.
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I would love to see a 6'5 tough as nails .. that can shoot it... PG on the roster...... and add a sharp-shooting wing... AND have $31mm IN SPACE.
 
PKM said:
Switch Parker and Randle.. and Aaron and Vonleh....
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I can't quite do that, knowing what a front court with Randle, Favors and Kanter would do to the league.

I need to see more from Vonleh. He's up to 6'9", but I need to see more motor, more hunger and more consistent outside shooting before putting him ahead of Aaron.
 
If we're really aggressive with this draft, we'll trade a player and a pick to end up with two good lottery picks. That would leave us with a core 4, plus two new franchise-changing talents.
 
PKM - can Aaron Harrison play the PG position?

I mean if he somehow slips to #16 and we can get him with the GSW pick, what about this lineup???

Aaron Harrison
Hayward
Jabari
Favors
Kanter


That team would be exciting & hard to stop in 2-3 years' time.
 
PKM can answer, but I don't think that's the right way to use Aaron Harrison. We'd be better off playing Burke at PG and bringing Hayward/Burks off the bench.....or trade one of them.

I don't see Aaron Harrison slipping to 16. If you wanted to, I bet you could trade Hayward and the GSW pick for another lottery 2014 pick. The result would be:

Burke
Aaron Harrison
Parker or Aaron Gordon
Favors
Kanter

...or... we could end up with:

Exum
Hayward
Vonleh
Favors
Kanter

Either team is right nasty.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
PKM - can Aaron Harrison play the PG position?

I mean if he somehow slips to #16 and we can get him with the GSW pick, what about this lineup???

Aaron Harrison
Hayward
Jabari
Favors
Kanter


That team would be exciting & hard to stop in 2-3 years' time.
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There are many that think he can, easily.
There was a time he was mocked higher because of it..
 
spycam1 said:
All I know is whoever we draft next year, they'll suck in summer league and everyone will overreact.
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Catchall said:
PKM can answer, but I don't think that's the right way to use Aaron Harrison. We'd be better off playing Burke at PG and bringing Hayward/Burks off the bench.....or trade one of them.

I don't see Aaron Harrison slipping to 16. If you wanted to, I bet you could trade Hayward and the GSW pick for another lottery 2014 pick. The result would be:

Burke
Aaron Harrison
Parker or Aaron Gordon
Favors
Kanter

...or... we could end up with:

Exum
Hayward
Vonleh
Favors
Kanter

Either team is right nasty.
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PKM said:
There are many that think he can, easily.
There was a time he was mocked higher because of it..
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I like Burke, don't get me wrong.

I'm just thinking ahead - I mean, you always have to think about improving your team, right? You can't just be content with what you have in this league (ask Daryl Morey).

The reason I ask is Aaron is currently mocked at #24 on DX - obviously it won't be that - but in case he falls far enough that we can grab him with the GSW pick - why not???

- He can shoot it
- He can drive
- He can finish at the rim
- Great size defensively

Long gone are the days of the traditional PG, he can be like a Westbrook lite type guy with Jabari. Add to that Favors & Kanter.. wow.. can you say UNSTOPPABLE???!!!!????!!!
 
What we're looking for are positional advantages. Even if Burke is a solid PG, he won't create the kind of mismatch in our favor that Andrew Harrison or Dante Exum create. So drafting one of those guys gives us an immediate opportunity to improve.

Keeping Hayward at the SG already gives us some positional advantage due to his size, strength and passing out on the floor. So to upgrade there, we'd need at least Aaron Harrison or maybe James Young. I wouldn't be in a hurry to draft the kid from Michigan State, for example.

The obvious opportunity for the Jazz is to get an SF, especially given the players in this draft. So I would assume that's still the most straight-forward strategy---Wiggins, Parker, Gordon, Vonleh and anyone else who emerges this year. We could then use our other pick to get a back-up big like Austin or Poythress.

If we don't go with that approach, we might be able to pull off Exum/Harrison with our first pick and a Poythress or TJ Watson with our 2nd pick. We'd come away stacked with this approach too, and can trade Burke or Burks as part of a deal that leverages our cap space and other assets.
 
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