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Study finds religious people are less intelligent then atheists.

heyhey said:
School prayer is inherently disruptive. 5 min times 182 = 15+ hours of lost education per year.

It should be allowed because these kids need to learn to tolerate one another not because it's no big deal.
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I disagree. Teaching them acceptance of others and tolerance of different beliefs, even if weird to them, is not disruptive. If you are worried about taking 5 minutes from the actual class time...fine. Start each morning 5 minutes earlier.
 
AKMVP said:
I am just very glad my kids are not exposed to any kind of prayers in school.
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Good for you! Keep right on supporting the limiting of your childs experiences so that they have a narrow stunted view when they grow up. Kudos!
 
heyhey said:
This thread has nothing to do with those things. This thread tries to show that atheists are smarter than religious people. I imagine you don't like it when religious people claim they are inherently more moral than atheists, do you. Your criticism of school prayer is valid but you can criticize an activity without criticizing a community. There are religious people(believe it or not) who are against school prayer.
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With regard to the original post, my first response was to link to a fellow atheist who savaged the paper. I agree you shouldn't print bad papers. Preaching is a different thing entirely.
 
Since moments of silence are, by definition, silent, I don't see a big role for them in teaching tolerance. Silence is what happens absent toleration.

However, I don't object to taking a minute to quietly contemplate the coming day, in the manner of your choice. 5 minutes seems a little long.
 
One Brow said:
Since moments of silence are, by definition, silent, I don't see a big role for them in teaching tolerance. Silence is what happens absent toleration.

However, I don't object to taking a minute to quietly contemplate the coming day, in the manner of your choice. 5 minutes seems a little long.
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Tolerance comes in when you learn that it is ok to see the kid sitting 2 rows back obviously praying while the kid next to him is reading and the kid after that is texting... shows that it is ok. Tolerance by observing the act and realising there is no harm there.

Being exposed to something new sometimes leads to interest in it. Interest can lead to becoming informed. Being informed can lead to tolerance. Not always, obviously, but I see a potential positive and no potential negative.
 
The Black Swordsman said:
https://www.people-press.org/2009/07/09/section-4-scientists-politics-and-religion/

48% of scientists say they have a religious affiliation. Not 5%.

The survey also found younger scientists to be "substantially more likely than their older counterparts to say they believe in God". Among the surveyed fields, chemists were the most likely to say they believe in God.
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I don't trust any survey paper where the numbers quoted in the text don't match the numbers listed on the table.

The Black Swordsman said:
The age of atheism came, it was rampant during the time of red Russia and Cuba. Atheism is declining and atheism in science is no exception.
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In the US and Europe, the percentage of people who choose "no religion" is rising.
 
One Brow said:
I don't trust any survey paper where the numbers quoted in the text don't match the numbers listed on the table.



In the US and Europe, the percentage of people who choose "no religion" is rising.
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No religion does not necessarily mean they are athiests or agnostics. I think America is seeing a trend of spirituality and not religion on the rise.
 
Stoked said:
Good for you! Keep right on supporting the limiting of your childs experiences so that they have a narrow stunted view when they grow up. Kudos!
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I consider numerous experiences to have negative influence on children's grow. So I am glad public schools in Canada at least preventing from one of them.
When they reach the age where they can chose for themselves they can pick if they want to learn and experience religion or not. Do you agree that it is about choice at the end of the day and that 7-8 year old can't make choice for himself?
I was not given that choice and religion was forced upon me since 7 years of age. So when I grew up, got educated and was able to make my own choice it was very easy to dismiss it.
 
franklin said:
*franklin

Siro, wiping aside the history that one way or another led to Jews being so damn smart can't be that simple.

I'm well aware of the atheist, ethnic Jews who have risen to the top in every field imaginable. That doesn't score a point in the face thousands of years of history that got us to where we are today. The religion obviously did not breed a bunch of dumb asses.

I think a better way of looking at it through the atheist lens would be an evolutionary argument where only the smartest survived their history of persecution. IMO, that view pretty much equalizes the atheism vs. religion debate as far as intelligence is concerned.
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Muslims were very advanced socially and scientifically during the Middle Ages. Hell, even medieval Christendom was No WHERE NEAR as backward as people make them out to be. Any major civilization in the late middle ages would have possessed enough technical know-how to wipe the floor with the ancient Romans.

I think religion and religious faith are unnecessary and often undesirable. I wouldn't shed any tears to see it disappear, and I think we would be far better off without it. But the claim that religion only appeals to dumb people is patently absurd and shows complete lack of understanding of how culture and socialization work.
 
@akmvp
What I won't join your Atheist crusade so you neg me. I would not want to live in a world where everyone thought the same way I do.

I will say it again. Atheism isn't a concept. It is simply not accepting the concept of god.
 
heyhey said:
@akmvp
What I won't join your Atheist crusade so you neg me. I would not want to live in a world where everyone thought the same way I do.

I will say it again. Atheism isn't a concept. It is simply not accepting the concept of god.
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You missed the point obviously. I do not want you to join any crusades nor I have one. ( Atheist crusade is kind of oxymoron don't you think so?).
 
AKMVP said:
You missed the point obviously. I do not want you to join any crusades nor I have one. ( Atheist crusade is kind of oxymoron don't you think so?).
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I think using Atheism as a pretext for public policy sounds like a crusade. I don't like when Christians do it either.

Your Atheism. My atheism
 
AKMVP said:
You missed the point obviously. I do not want you to join any crusades nor I have one. ( Atheist crusade is kind of oxymoron don't you think so?).
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Please do not expose me to your non praying ways. I need to isolate.
 
heyhey said:
Nope. He wants to keep your children from praying where they want to.
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I want people to have a choice. Since children aren't able to make that choice how about we not force it upon them until they are mature enough to do it?
You guys are against prearranged marriage I assume, right? The one where parents chose wifes and husbands for children and they have no right to change it when they grow up. Why different approach to religion?
 
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