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Game Thread: Utah @ BYU, Sat. 9/21 8:15pm MT, ESPN2

lol at the BYU idiots getting on green for what he posted when you guys dished out much more than that before the game. You reap what you sow, and green has every right to say what he wants. In fact, he should be able to cram a big fat cow pie in your faces. In other words...eat ****.
 
Colton, I remember there being a thread that some "sports site" that I really think was just a Y fan broke down the instate QB's and why Hill was the best instate QB (as far as why that was brought up that is my best guess).

However that reminds me of another preseason debate/trash talk which I thought strange personally. Which OC would have a bigger impact/help their team more. Guess the reason I found it strange is I remember many Y fans begging for Anae to be fired (or at least in the U vs Y threads I read) and when he was there was much rejoicing. Granted they quickly turned on Doman but I didn't expect them to embrace or re-embrace Anae so quickly.
 
The Thriller said:
Those who want to fire Bronco are idiots. There's no one better.

Those who are bashing Anae are morons. Just what offense is going to work with Tebow at QB, a horrible Oline, and subpar WRs? I don't necessarily agree with go hard and go fast. But those who want to blame Anae for not finding a good offense with the cards he's been dealt with have no idea what they're talking about. Unless Ammon Olsen can pass, BYU can't run a damn pass play successfully for the next few years. Not until you get an Oline, WRs, and a QB.

If you want to blame anyone blame the previous coaching staff. Just what the hell were they recruiting these past few years?

Literally, Anae has 2 options... Go hard and slow, so the games end quicker and the other team has les time to score. And bench Taysom to go with hill. Word is, Bronco likes Taysom. So maybe Anae can't even decide who he wants at QB? But then that takes us back to Bronco. No one out there is better. Nick Saban isn't coming to Byu.
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You are the one crying about getting dominated by Utah for the last 4 years. A lot of that falls on Bronco does it not? Of course you aren't getting someone like Saban, but to be fearful that you might not get someone better is to be content with the San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl. Sometimes you have to take a chance.

Please stop comparing Hill to Tebow. Tebow was actually a good college QB. Something that Hill will never be. Hill couldn't carry Tebow's jockstrap when it comes to the college game.
 
The Thriller said:
If you want to blame anyone blame the previous coaching staff. Just what the hell were they recruiting these past few years?
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Dude, this is where you lost me. Bronco has been running the show for 8 years! If the recruiting is flawed, that's on him. No way you can put that on his assistants. Maybe the MOST IMPORTANT job of a college HC is identifying the types of athletes that you can recruit, and filling your staff full of assistants that can maximize the talents of those athletes.

The fact that 8 years in, Bronco can't seem to figure that out is a huge red flag. I honestly believe one of these 2 statements has to be true: Either Bronco is horrible at matching recruits up with the type of systems he wants to run, or BYU simply can't recruit the players they used to.

Personally, I think it's Bronco. Call me an idiot if you like but I think the guy is a brilliant D-Coordinator who has no business being an HC. He's basically a Mormon Dave Wannstedt.
 
jazzman12 said:
Dude, this is where you lost me. Bronco has been running the show for 8 years! If the recruiting is flawed, that's on him. No way you can put that on his assistants. Maybe the MOST IMPORTANT job of a college HC is identifying the types of athletes that you can recruit, and filling your staff full of assistants that can maximize the talents of those athletes.

The fact that 8 years in, Bronco can't seem to figure that out is a huge red flag. I honestly believe one of these 2 statements has to be true: Either Bronco is horrible at matching recruits up with the type of systems he wants to run, or BYU simply can't recruit the players they used to.

Personally, I think it's Bronco. Call me an idiot if you like but I think the guy is a brilliant D-Coordinator who has no business being an HC. He's basically a Mormon Dave Wannstedt.
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This.

Bronco70 said:
I'm pretty sure Thriller was being sarcastic.

At least, that's the way I read it, FWIW.
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I think you give him just a tiiiiiiny bit too much credit.
 
JazzSpazz said:
lefty was getting a little greenish towards the end there. I hope it was just an out of body experience for him. I'm trying real hard to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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I appreciate it. Tell you what - you give me the benefit of the doubt for after the game, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for before the game. Because your posts before the game rivaled his.
 
fatchipper said:
lol at the BYU idiots getting on green for what he posted when you guys dished out much more than that before the game. You reap what you sow, and green has every right to say what he wants. In fact, he should be able to cram a big fat cow pie in your faces. In other words...eat ****.
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FCC has a very, very valid point.
 
As far as the Bronco dilemma... That's a tough one. What are the chances of hiring a non-LDS coach? Serious question. Since they bring in non-LDS talent, if the individual is conservative and doesn't have any baggage, wouldn't that work?
 
leftyjace said:
As far as the Bronco dilemma... That's a tough one. What are the chances of hiring a non-LDS coach? Serious question. Since they bring in non-LDS talent, if the individual is conservative and doesn't have any baggage, wouldn't that work?
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I honestly don't know. If they have non member assistant coaches, why not a HC?
 
leftyjace said:
As far as the Bronco dilemma... That's a tough one. What are the chances of hiring a non-LDS coach? Serious question. Since they bring in non-LDS talent, if the individual is conservative and doesn't have any baggage, wouldn't that work?
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The chances of that are pretty much zero in the current BYU climate. At least, I assume it's similar to faculty hiring--and we've been told that basically the only way the administration will consider hiring a non LDS professor is if we can document that there are no qualified LDS candidates. And while there might not be any A+ rated LDS head coaching candidates, I'm sure there are SOME qualified LDS candidates.
 
jazzman12 said:
Dude, this is where you lost me. Bronco has been running the show for 8 years! If the recruiting is flawed, that's on him. No way you can put that on his assistants. Maybe the MOST IMPORTANT job of a college HC is identifying the types of athletes that you can recruit, and filling your staff full of assistants that can maximize the talents of those athletes.

The fact that 8 years in, Bronco can't seem to figure that out is a huge red flag. I honestly believe one of these 2 statements has to be true: Either Bronco is horrible at matching recruits up with the type of systems he wants to run, or BYU simply can't recruit the players they used to.

Personally, I think it's Bronco. Call me an idiot if you like but I think the guy is a brilliant D-Coordinator who has no business being an HC. He's basically a Mormon Dave Wannstedt.
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I agree with most of this, especially the bit about recruiting being pretty much THE most important thing about being a head coach in college ball. Bronco is an extremely gifted D-Coordinator, and has done great in defensive recruiting... but the offensive recruiting has been mediocre at best in recent years.
 
Bronco70 said:
I'm pretty sure Thriller was being sarcastic.

At least, that's the way I read it, FWIW.
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Lol.

I didn't get the controversy that I had hoped.

Truly, I think Bronco is a much better D coordinator than HC. BYU has a long history of blowing big games against big opponents. Boston college and Florida St all come to mind. OU lost because Bradford got injured and Texas lost because they refused to show up. I do think the entire coaching staff needs an overhaul. I don't like their recruiting and preparation in particular.... The entire university needs an overhaul. Just what the hell are they going for? 10+ years ago, it was to be a great football team. They had some tremendous talent. Then, that last year with Crowton happened. And in all honesty, it wasn't even THAT bad. Compared to what a lot of universities are being busted for. So they decided to clean it up. Ok...

Since independence, it doesn't really seem like the program has had much direction. Exposure? Isn't the best way to gain exposure to join a big time conference and compete well in it? What kid in Brazil or Mexico gives damn about watching this crap on low def?

So personally, I think it goes much higher up than Bronco. I don't think the AD of university officials know what the hell they want. I'm pretty sure the Athletic Department wants the Big 12 and to upgrade their recruiting. Meanwhile, others are calling the shots. It's basically making it a horrible time to be a BYU fan. Bad recruiting, sloppy coaching, and worthless season after worthless season.

Basketball used to be cool. But now we play in high school gyms and choke against St Mary's and Gonzaga.

The biggest problem IMO is that you have brethren involved in vital athletic decisions who have never participated in sports. To them, BYU TV and other missionary programs are the best missionary tools. In reality, the best missionary tool would be to join a big conference and kick butt in it. In Brazil, few cared about living prophets and free books/movies. We kept receiving new DVDs and books yet they rarely worked to gain anyone's attention. Brownies, maple syrup, cookies, and football? Yes , that worked. But free English classes with Americans? Americans making American desserts? Gringos talking about Brazilian soccer? Or throwing around an American football? Dude , worked like a charm.

People love sports baby. BYU and the LDS church would gain so much more attention with an awesome football team and BIG 12 conference than with a crappy team and BYU tv. That would elevate recruiting and give this school some much needed direction.
 
The Thriller said:
Then, that last year with Crowton happened. And in all honesty, it wasn't even THAT bad. Compared to what a lot of universities are being busted for. So they decided to clean it up. Ok...
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It was pretty bad. And some of those stellar characters from that group that got kicked out back then subsequently went on to get arrested for murder, aggravated assault, and burglary. That was a group of bad dudes.
 
I think Bronco's biggest problem is that he doesn't have connections in the coaching world that he can reach out and hire. Lavell Edwards had 20 friends that could've been good OCs.
 
leftyjace said:
As far as the Bronco dilemma... That's a tough one. What are the chances of hiring a non-LDS coach? Serious question. Since they bring in non-LDS talent, if the individual is conservative and doesn't have any baggage, wouldn't that work?
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bigb said:
I honestly don't know. If they have non member assistant coaches, why not a HC?
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Zero chance. They have some rule where the HC has to be an active LDS member, but they can hire non-LDS assistants and stuff. Not sure if they limit the number or anything, wouldn't be too surprised if they did and said no more than 3 or 4 or something.
 
Something else I wanted to bring up about some of Bronco's recent offensive hires/fires that I forgot in the last post: What's the average BYU fan's take on the fact that Doman and Dupaix got released from BYU and couldn't score another coaching gig? I don't know each individiual's story, but I doubt both elected to simply not coach anymore.

I find it extremely interesting that 2 guys who Bronco had tremendous faith in at one time went from employed at BYU to completely out of coaching in one step.
 
colton said:
The chances of that are pretty much zero in the current BYU climate. At least, I assume it's similar to faculty hiring--and we've been told that basically the only way the administration will consider hiring a non LDS professor is if we can document that there are no qualified LDS candidates. And while there might not be any A+ rated LDS head coaching candidates, I'm sure there are SOME qualified LDS candidates.
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MORE qualified than Bronco, though? I'd love to see the list.
 
Utah wins...what a surprise.

There is a clear cut top dog in the state, everything points to it, and that dog sits up on the hill in SLC.

lol.
 
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