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JazzSpazz said:
Hey, Eskimos are real and I'm going to live with them. We will ride our water dragons and hunt sharks and leviathan for food.
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This is your man then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqMvJI73UCY
 
Sirkickyass said:
You're seeing a party in crisis at the moment. You've got about 40 members of the GOP (this number is from Peter King R-NY) who are wagging the dog. Boehner isn't really in charge and can't bring them in line without losing his job as speaker in the process. Cruz seems bound and determined to make a name for himself as being the guy who defunded Obamacare. After years and years and years of negotiating against himself, Obama has finally decided that he's not going to respond to hostage taking anymore. To the extent Obama is to blame, it's because he's given in to these tactics previously and encouraged the GOP to do it again and again.


Stoked, you keep repeating that the people elected this house to do what it's doing now. That's only kind of true. Gerrymandering played a huge role in the party make-up of the house. Even though the House GOP outnumbers the Dems by 32 seats, the reality is that Democrats won an aggregated popular vote in house races by more than a million votes. In fact the discrepancy between popular vote and seat representation is the largest it's been in more than 60 years.

https://election.princeton.edu/2012/11/09/the-new-house-with-less-democracy/
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This is the most true statement out there. There Repubs don't know who/what they are. One republican wrote his own healthcare bill. Another hates it. One passed a flat tax, but is for gay marriage, so he isn't a "true" republican. One thinks that if you are raped, you won't get pregnant.

The leadership and organization of the Repub party is gone. It doesn't exist. Look at this country. It is in shambles. You can easily toss all the blame on the left, as they had full control for two years, the white house for the last 6 and the Senate for the last 8? 10?

Yet, no one does. The left is so organized, so in sync with each other, so united, they continue to win even though reality says that the right should be winning. Obama ran on lowering taxes the first time around. McCain ran on nothing.

Until the right actually figures out what they stand for, get united, all say the same message, that party is screwed and won't accomplish anything, because they don't know what they are trying to accomplish.

For example, here in Utah, Hatch's opponent in the primaries ran on this:

"Orrin Hatch has been in Washington too long."

He didn't say what Hatch was doing wrong, what was wrong in Washington, or what he would do if he were elected. All he said was "I should be elected because Hatch is too old". The republican party is pathetic right now.
 
green said:
This is the most true statement out there. There Repubs don't know who/what they are. One republican wrote his own healthcare bill. Another hates it. One passed a flat tax, but is for gay marriage, so he isn't a "true" republican. One thinks that if you are raped, you won't get pregnant.

The leadership and organization of the Repub party is gone. It doesn't exist. Look at this country. It is in shambles. You can easily toss all the blame on the left, as they had full control for two years, the white house for the last 6 and the Senate for the last 8? 10?

Yet, no one does. The left is so organized, so in sync with each other, so united, they continue to win even though reality says that the right should be winning. Obama ran on lowering taxes the first time around. McCain ran on nothing.

Until the right actually figures out what they stand for, get united, all say the same message, that party is screwed and won't accomplish anything, because they don't know what they are trying to accomplish.

For example, here in Utah, Hatch's opponent in the primaries ran on this:

"Orrin Hatch has been in Washington too long."

He didn't say what Hatch was doing wrong, what was wrong in Washington, or what he would do if he were elected. All he said was "I should be elected because Hatch is too old". The republican party is pathetic right now.
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Yes they are. So many idiotic decisions.
 
Why are politicians not allowed to have mixed views? If they are for a flat tax then they can't be for gay marriage?

That is really a serious issue in our country. If you don't swallow everything hook line and sinker then you can't be taken seriously, even though the VAST majority of people I know have mixed beliefs. I personally have no issues with gay marriage, knock yourself out, marry however many of whoever or whatever you want to. But I am against unfettered abortion. Since I hold a belief from each side of the spectrum I can't ever have a voice, right? Strange because I know way way more people with mixed beliefs, or dare I say moderate beliefs, than who toe the party-line, and most of the latter group I and most of my acquaintances and friends would label wackos due to the vehemence of their defense of "their side" and their vilification of the "other side".
 
Revolution 9 said:
This is just plain stupid. Sorry.
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Not entirely. I saw a family of about 6 kids in line in front of me at a Walmart, all with iPhones with obvious data plans, while mom bought food with foodstamps and beer and cigarettes with cash. Anecdotal yes, totally far-fetched, no.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Not entirely. I saw a family of about 6 kids in line in front of me at a Walmart, all with iPhones with obvious data plans, while mom bought food with foodstamps and beer and cigarettes with cash. Anecdotal yes, totally far-fetched, no.
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no way?!!? you saw somebody abusing food stamps. **** the whole program must be full of free loaders.
 
Revolution 9 said:
no way?!!? you saw somebody abusing food stamps. **** the whole program must be full of free loaders.
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There are plenty of them yes. Are all of them? Of course not but there are plenty.

Edit: I think it has more to do with education than attempting to lie or cheat though.
 
Revolution 9 said:
no way?!!? you saw somebody abusing food stamps. **** the whole program must be full of free loaders.
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Whoa, cowboy. See, again, you are exactly what's wrong with politics today. Who said the program was full of free loaders? *hint, it was you*

Did anyone say to get rid of it? Nope. Did I say, seeing how we can't afford it, we should look at reforming it? Yup.

Your responses are exactly what is wrong with everything right now.
 
LogGrad98 said:
And you are fine with it. Fair enough. I'm not.
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You're right. Our overgenerous citizen-welfare programs will plummet our country into bankruptcy. Just look at what's happening in Germany.
 
The Government of this country is ****ed up. Has been for a long time. So much so that I may seriously consider leaving this country at some point. I never thought I'd say that but the government in the US is broken. It does not work. It does not function. And they don't give a **** what the people in the country want.
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Pass more laws (that they don't have to follow), pay themselves more money, get as much power for themselves as possible and **** the people of the country as much as possible. That is my view of how this government functions. The government is ran by a bunch of morans.
 
Stoked said:
There are plenty of them yes. Are all of them? Of course not but there are plenty.

Edit: I think it has more to do with education than attempting to lie or cheat though.
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yep. some people use them correctly some dont. i love how conservatives love to always point that time they saw someone abusing food stamps. makes me giggle.
it really bothers you guys.
 
Revolution 9 said:
yep. some people use them correctly some dont. i love how conservatives love to always point that time they saw someone abusing food stamps. makes me giggle.
it really bothers you guys.
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I love how Democrats always try to give the money I work hard for to people who are unwilling to do so for themselves.
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Just like the leaders of the Democratic party to make a law that effect everybody in the country and then make themselves exempt from it. That shows right there how bad the idea is that they don't want to have to live by it.
 
Revolution 9 said:
yep. some people use them correctly some dont. i love how conservatives love to always point that time they saw someone abusing food stamps. makes me giggle.
it really bothers you guys.
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Lmao, me too. Some people are misusing this resource, so let's just axe the whole thing-- letting the people who the program was designed for, to slip through the cracks.

And we're talking about food here.
 
gregbroncs said:
I love how Democrats always try to give the money I work hard for to people who are unwilling to do so for themselves.
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Right, because one is only poor because they aren't working hard enough.


Jesus ****ing christ. Calvinism still exists?
 
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