Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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You don't understand what i'm saying. I want a coach with experience. Not another rookie coach.
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You don't understand what i'm saying. I want a coach with experience. Not another rookie coach.
green
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That's fine. And you don't get what I'm saying. I'm saying if you fire Corbin two months into the season, then you wasted last year. If Corbin is fired in 2013, it should have been in Feb, not Dec.
I agree. Let Corbin stay all year and base wether to bring him back or not on the ability and decision making he shows. Not solely on the record of the team.
I would tend to agree.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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No. I get what your saying. My point is that If Ty had been fired in the middle of last year, and Horny had been put in, he'd have stayed the course and continued to run the same system. Not saying his rotations would've stayed the same, but he'd have used the same system, meaning we still wouldn't have known how good he'd be as a coach.
I want an experienced coach period!
Fishsticks
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I lived in SLC until 99 and come back once or twice a year. I can say that while I miss some aspects of SLC...it truly is boring. And that is fine for those that are ok with it, but its weird when people get defensive about these types of statements.
Just want to chime in and say that Grantland is still the most entertaining sports group out there. I loved the format even though they were bit misinformed( Favors is great facing the basket????ok Jalen.)
Getting Traded
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Very true. Horny is unproven BUT Ty has proven that HE CAN'T COACH!
But we shall see if he has learned from his mistakes this year. I think the FO is giving him a clean slate and allowing him one last chance to show that he has finally acquired the tools to be a good coach. I'm betting against it but hope I am wrong.
Fishsticks
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You have to be kidding me. If the Jazz were trying to be competive KOC's guys would be competing for the playoffs this year. The bench is where we are weak and its intentional.
Yep.
KOC is practically gone already. He is living in South Carolina and is more of a consultant. Besides overall KOC has done a heck of a job. No GM is perfect but he was far from Scott Layden.
Corbin is not going to get fired. He might not get re-signed but as long as he stays on course with the GM's plan, he is not going to get fired. I don't really understand the amount of HATE regarding Ty. He has had a lot to deal with since he became coach. He took over for a legend (partly why people hate him), had his all-star traded at the same time, no summer camp, lockout his rookie year, had seven FAs to deal while trying to get four young players minutes. Yet he is blamed for some of same things Sloan use to do (substitutions, playing vets, not protecting the 3pt line).
While Ty isn't perfect or even close, overall I think the hate against Ty is passed the reasonable level. Ty has not held back this team. The Jazz were a borderline playoff team last year. Yes he sometimes struggled with giving minutes to people who didn't deserve them but I think that was more of an organization plan and not simply Ty's doing. The players who complained about him were Raja, CJ and Watson. I rest my case.
I will give him a pass unless he reverts to playing vets who don't deserve it. Because it is clear that the organization's plan is to give the young guys the keys to the car. I believe if he does this then he will be the FIRST coach to go. However, I believe that Ty is humble enough to bring people in who can help him become a better coach. I already think Ty is a good person (you would think people would remember that). What coach would bring in Sloan and Malone to help him? A smart one but I doubt most coaches (a guy who isn't a good one or is insecure) would be a little hesitate to bring in the legend he replace and the best player in franchise history with a big personality to overshadow him. Besides Coach Sloan and Malone have said nothing but good things about him.
Just like this team I am going to give Ty a chance to really prove himself. The only way he can screw it up is if he goes back to playing vets big minutes. I think the vets can have a role coming off the bench but they shouldn't be the core5. I am not judging Ty on W-L this year, I am judging him on how hard the team plays, if they are improving and if they our a cohesive group playing together.
Now I am sure people will call me a Ty Lover or Homer, I am not and I don't think he is free from being criticized. However, the Ty bashing is immature and getting real old. Do you really think that unfairly bashing him makes it more probable that he is gone. NO!!!!
I don't take offense to it. Utah, and SLC, has tons to do in an outdoor kind of way. It is not for everyone. If you are looking for great clubs and other forms of nightlife than not so much.
cctrackstar
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The trade for Jefferson and Biedrins was win win. If nothing else happens and they get multiple picks for filling out the required salary, they win. If however, Biedrins and Jefferson get them into the playoffs because they respond to good coaching, they win again with playoff revenue and increased fan support.
Did they mention Brandon Rush one time? I'll have to watch it again and see if he was listed on the bench. Hellooo, solid wing high three point defender here, maybe he should be mentioned before Jefferson. It's funny that national media types always assume that if a guy is making over ten million, than obviously they will start regardless of them scoring three a night last season and that there are more capable players still on their rookie deals. (this last bit referrinig to Burks, not Rush)_
Did they mention Brandon Rush one time? I'll have to watch it again and see if he was listed on the bench. Hellooo, solid wing high three point defender here, maybe he should be mentioned before Jefferson. It's funny that national media types always assume that if a guy is making over ten million, than obviously they will start regardless of them scoring three a night last season and that there are more capable players still on their rookie deals. (this last bit referrinig to Burks, not Rush)_
green
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Look at this team. You have 8 lottery picks on this team. You have 5 top 10 picks on this team. You have three top 3 picks on this team. 67% of this team was taken in the lottery. You traded a way a top 3 player at his position for some of these guys.
The fact that we didn't make the playoffs last year is pathetic. The fact that there is a good chance we will lose 50+ games is pathetic.
I've defended KOC 100%. This is his year. This is what we suffered through the last 3+ years for. If Kanter and Favors aren't averaging 15 and 10, if Hayward doesn't get around 17 and 8, if Burks doesn't get 12 and 5...what did we trade Deron for? What was the point?
I've stated over and over again that I am for the tank, and that I'm for it because the Jazz are a solidly run organization...but if Kanter, Favors and Hayward don't take big steps forward, if Burke struggles and one of the other available pg's shines...yikes.
Now, I have faith. I think Kanter will blow up this year. I think Hayward will take steps. I think Burke will be very good by the end of the year. But reality is reality. If we get blown out of a lot of games, and it doesn't involve injuries, and if Kanter/Favors/Hayward/Burks don't take HUGE strides in their development, KOC should be gone.
mellow
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Agree. Further, the Jazz constantly emphasis that they are a family organization that is loyal, and honest. It is their respnose to SLC is boring so no NBA player wants to live there. That image that they have carefully crafted will take a hit if they fire Ty, an honest hardworking family man who was dealt a bad hand by managment for the 2nd straight season.
green
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All of his issues are his fault. He lost Deron, yes. BUT, he was given TWO top 3 picks. He didn't develop them at all. He was given a runaway sixth man of the year (Millsap)...he didn't put him in a position to be successful. He was given a #9 pick, who was very, very efficient...He couldn't get him to work with Jefferson. He was given a player that is balls out great at the end of games (Al)...He couldn't figure out a way to get the whole team involved in the offense. He had Devon Harris...couldn't make it work. He was given Mo...couldn't make it work. He was given vets that would be gone the next year, so he didn't have to worry about pissing them off (see Raja Bell)...he didn't challenge them. What exactly did Ty do, other than get more talented teams yet regress every year?
The Jazz were a borderline playoff team two years ago. Then they upgraded the roster, but their record got worse. When the Jazz were healthy again after the All-Star break, they went on a huge losing streak. The Jazz starters routinely dug themselves into big holes, the bench bailed them out, but he couldn't fix that either.
I thought Ty was going to get a chance to prove himself by making Deron happy...didn't happen. The he had a chance to prove himself with a new, running pg and high draft picks...didn't happen. Then he had a full year, and Kanter was a beast and Favors was going awesome and Mo was the pg the Jazz let get away...didn't happen. There is not one good reason why he is still coach---I take that back. There is one. The Jazz want to suck and don't want to pay another coach to suck and pay Ty. It is a cheap thing. That is the ONLY reason why he is still coach.
green
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Lindsey came in and has done what every new GM does...get rid of the old and in with the new. Ty will be gone. He isn't Lindsey's guy.
Burke is his guy. Wiggins/Parker/the brothers at Kentucky, is his foundation. That's it. Lindsey has no loyalty to any other player. He isn't planning on building around Kanter for Favors. He is planning on building around his draft picks last year and this year. If Kanter and Favors find a way to prove they fit, great. If not, they will be gone as well.
Burke is his guy. Wiggins/Parker/the brothers at Kentucky, is his foundation. That's it. Lindsey has no loyalty to any other player. He isn't planning on building around Kanter for Favors. He is planning on building around his draft picks last year and this year. If Kanter and Favors find a way to prove they fit, great. If not, they will be gone as well.
cctrackstar
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Burke is going to hit the rookie wall like a gnat on a windshield on the way to Wendover. He will show promise, he will show that he is the future, but with all of the pressure of not only playing well as a rookie but also being a leader as a rookie of a team where the entire starting lineup is less than five years older than he is will be horribly taxing on him. There is a reason that this team has five players including Hayward who can put in time at the point guard. Throw in Machado, and you know that the team is worried that Burke -while being the future- will need a lot of help this season.
Hotdog
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What?
Dude, are you high?
I'm sure he has every intention of building around what we got.
Hotdog
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I guess it just depends on what you like, and what you think is fun.
I think the biggest knocks that Utah takes is for it being too religious and unalcohol friendly. Which are the two things that couldn't be more untrue. There are plenty of people who aren't religous that live here, and there is plenty of alcohol here. I've never got what the fuss is all about. You can get just as drunk here as you can anywhere else. Hell, anyone can get wasted just eating at there local AppleBees.
I guees I'm just missing something. Last time I checked I can go down to the liquor store and get as strong as alcohol that I want, no problem. Just because it isn't open in the middle of the night, doesn't mean I can plan ahead and buy plenty for the night.
The alcohol issues in Utah are way overblown.