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Hayward & Jazz - not close to agreement (Hayward leaving 4/40 on the table)

There is no way Hayward is worth 13 million a year. I would up the number to 11 (I think that is a lot of money). If he says no, then trade is but to a team with a 2014 high pick. The Jazz will have an issue after this draft at SG/SF when/if they draft Wiggins/Young/Parker/Harrison/Exum. I like Hayward but he is not a superstar and shouldn't be paid like one.
 
Jazz4ever said:
He is well over 5 assists per36 this preseason and is 3 years younger than Manu was before he even entered the league. He is doing it playing with some very raw big men and little outside shooting to boot. Give him Rush as a corner threat and I think he can do 5 in his sleep along with 16-17 points a game. Agreed he never gets to 60% TS, but that's still one helluva player.


Please quote where I stated he deserved the max also.
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Solid rebuttal. Would rep the effort if I could.
 
I knew signing Favors to 12 million a year was going to affect Hayward. Yea I know big men get paid more but Hayward has accomplished more than Favors.
 
Jazz4ever said:
But introduces many more, like owners who are oblivious to future luxury tax considerations.
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I'm sorry, but are you suggesting that restricted free agency always leads to higher payouts on contracts? Because they don't. And knowing what a player is worth is better than playing roulette about a skill-set THAT HAS YET TO APPEAR.
 
GVC said:
If it'll take more than $10mm to lock him up now or next offseason, the Jazz should look to trade Hayward. Let some other team overpay for an exclusively off-ball offensive player and slightly above average defender.
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This is exactly how i feel about it!
 
cowhide said:
I knew signing Favors to 12 million a year was going to affect Hayward. Yea I know big men get paid more but Hayward has accomplished more than Favors.
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How much more? Favors averaged 9.4 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 1.7 bpg in 23.2 minutes. Hayward ended with 14.1 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 3.0 ast in 29.2 minutes. And that's ignoring the fact that Favors affects the game with his defense in ways that don't show up in stats.

I love Hayward at 10 million. I'll take him for 11. But I'd rather see him released for nothing than pay him 15 m/y.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I'm sorry, but are you suggesting that restricted free agency always leads to higher payouts on contracts? Because they don't. And knowing what a player is worth is better than playing roulette about a skill-set THAT HAS YET TO APPEAR.
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This upcoming year is particularly risky. I believe Locke said 8 teams would have the room to take on a max player, and most of the good players from the 2010 class have been extended (George, Cousins, Favors, Wall, Sanders). Only Bledsoe and Monroe remain.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I'm sorry, but are you suggesting that restricted free agency always leads to higher payouts on contracts? Because they don't. And knowing what a player is worth is better than playing roulette about a skill-set THAT HAS YET TO APPEAR.
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Steph Curry, currently ranked the 6th best player in the league by ESPN, signed in FA for 4/44. Bogut just signed an extension for 3/42 with incentives. Point NUMBERICA.
 
Jazz4ever said:
This upcoming year is particularly risky. I believe Locke said 8 teams would have the room to take on a max player, and most of the good players from the 2010 class have been extended (George, Cousins, Favors, Wall, Sanders). Only Bledsoe and Monroe remain.
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I'd like to datestamp the point in time when Jazzfanz.com started worrying about overpaying a player out of fear. Was it pre-Ostertag or AK?
 
franklin said:
Steph Curry, currently ranked the 6th best player in the league by ESPN, signed in FA for 4/44. Bogut just signed an extension for 3/42 with incentives. Point NUMBERICA.
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What number are you stopping at with Hayward in extension talks?
 
Jazz4ever said:
What number are you stopping at with Hayward in extension talks?
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Tough to say. Your point makes it too difficult for either side to come to numbers. I might give him $12mm starting in a descending $42.78 over 4 with his last being $9.5. But like you say, he puts up some nasty and improving numbers. That and the next extension based on $9.5 instead of a max plus 7.5% makes it a bitch to get a deal done. He can get 30% of the cap in FA but 6+ year players are duly too worried about injury to risk going UFA.

What is your bottom line?
 
GVC said:
If it'll take more than $10mm to lock him up now or next offseason, the Jazz should look to trade Hayward. Let some other team overpay for an exclusively off-ball offensive player and slightly above average defender.
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This.
 
franklin said:
Tough to say. Your point makes it too difficult for either side to come to numbers. I might give him $12mm starting in a descending $42.78 over 4 with his last being $9.5. But like you say, he puts up some nasty and improving numbers. That and the next extension based on $9.5 instead of a max plus 7.5% makes it a bitch to get a deal done. He can get 30% of the cap in FA but 6+ year players are duly too worried about injury to risk going UFA.

What is your bottom line?
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Would go 12.5 over 4 front loaded as you said. If he doesn't live up to it, that contract still becomes tradeable then in its last two years if we need the cap space.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Would go 12.5 over 4 front loaded as you said. If he doesn't live up to it, that contract still becomes tradeable then in its last two years if we need the cap space.
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NOT what he said. He said 12m for the first year, declining to 9.5 for the last. Not 12.5 over 4!
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];683202 said:
If Steph Curry is actually the sixth best player in the NBA, then I'm the king of Africa.
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I didn't know you were from Memphis.
 
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