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Stoked said:
Me as well. I would ask him who "we" is. The players? The coaches? If it is the players then the coaches need to reign them in. If it is the coaches then is shows poor, or at least the wrong, in game adjustments.
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Ty is "old school" rigid to a fault:

1. He has a bunch of young players who mentally check in and out of games at random, yet he sticks with rigid substitutions early. I understand the advantages of having players who know their role (and thus can get comfortable in it), but this doesn't seem to be the way to maximize wins OR teaching moments for this roster. If a young player is engaged, reward him and let him play, and when he's tired/loses focus, pull him out and give him a pat on the back. If a young player is sleep walking, pull his *** out of the game, and let him know that his play is unacceptable.

2. Sticking with placeholder point guards until Trey is healthy. Even though Ian couldn't hit a shot last night, I hope Ty goes back to the 2 guard lineup with him and Burks in the coming games.
 
GVC said:
Ty is "old school" rigid to a fault:

1. He has a bunch of young players who mentally check in and out of games at random, yet he sticks with rigid substitutions early. I understand the advantages of having players who know their role (and thus can get comfortable in it), but this doesn't seem to be the way to maximize wins OR teaching moments for this roster. If a young player is engaged, reward him and let him play, and when he's tired/loses focus, pull him out and give him a pat on the back. If a young player is sleep walking, pull his *** out of the game, and let him know that his play is unacceptable.

2. Sticking with placeholder point guards until Trey is healthy. Even though Ian couldn't hit a shot last night, I hope Ty goes back to the 2 guard lineup with him and Burks in the coming games.
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yep. Again.

I've been beating these same points since Trey went down.
 
Nate505 said:
Can someone explain to me why Corbin yanked Kanter from the lineup after he scored 8 points in like 6 minutes? I've tried not to harp on him too much so far, but that was absolutely brain dead coaching there.
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For da tank
 
GVC said:
How? Who's getting him the ball? The Jazz only have 2 players who need to be guarded, and opposing teams are playing accordingly.
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I count 4. All four young guys. Favors is double teamed every time he gets it in the post, Burks needs to be guarded and you are referring to Hay and Kant so 4.
 
GVC said:
2. Sticking with placeholder point guards until Trey is healthy. Even though Ian couldn't hit a shot last night, I hope Ty goes back to the 2 guard lineup with him and Burks in the coming games.
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Clarke is a joke - he's a shooter that can't shoot. His form is awkward and he rushes every shot. Most nights on D he'll be overmatched physically. He was able to hang in there last night because The Celtic Guards are stick figures.

Not an NBA player.
 
candrew said:
Clarke is a joke - he's a shooter that can't shoot. His form is awkward and he rushes every shot. Most nights on D he'll be overmatched physically. He was able to hang in there last night because The Celtic Guards are stick figures.

Not an NBA player.
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I don't have a big enough sample size yet, but so far I agree.
 
Please Dennis Lindsay, for the love of all that is holy, get us a point guard. Clark, Burks, JLIII and Tinsley are definitely not the answer. I don't even think Burke is the answer. Please, I know your trying to win the tankapaloza, but please, at least get someone who can play point.
 
GVC said:
Turnovers and jump shooting...Story of the season.
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And free throw shooting.. it's getting a little better and as a team is almost back up to 70%, but when 3 of the culprits under 70% are 3 of the top in ft attempts per game it's not good.
It looked like Hayward is improving, but Burks and Favors in the low 60's is not good.

I am impressed with Kanter, his almost 90% is pretty sweet.
 
The problem is that the Jazz can't shoot. THis has been a problem for a long time. When you watch other teams they have like 3 or more guys who can make a wide open jump shot consistently. Jazz have Hayward and Kanter. Favors has been the biggest disappointment. I am already regretting his extension. I thought we paid too much money because he is limited offensively. He is going to have to man up and start showing me he can score besides dunking it every once in a while. I know part of the problem is team's are packing it in because our guards cannot shoot nor penetrate.

Burks- I love the kids athletic ability but sometimes he plays out of control and makes the dumbest decisions. He needs to clean up his act and stop with the dumb faces when he makes a mistake. His shot is still below average. I can't understand how he misses so many FT's. His form is good.

Hayward was awesome for the most part and you can tell he is pissed with the losing. At times he was the best player on the floor, Jeff Green was the other "best player" on the floor. I think people don't appreciate Green as much as I do. I thought he was pretty good on OKC, the only thing holding him back is he plays passively some times. Hayward deserves the contract Favors got and Favors should be a 8-9 million guy unless he steps it up.

Kanter - I have no idea why he was replaced at the beginning of the game. He is a scoring machine. My concerns deal with his poor defensive rebounding and his average defense. Part of his defensive issues can be fixed, like boxing out but he isn't particularly long so guys can shoot over him. That really can't be fixed unless he grows some more besides he should be a PF instead of C.

Gobert - Is a project? He gets no love from the refs and he let them bother him last night. Needs to gain weight and get stronger which will take time. Love his passion and I think he has a good understanding of the game.

PGs - the worse in the NBA, which has been the case for a long time. Lucas, Tinsley and Clark can't shoot which is a huge problem. In my opinion this is the main problem with the team, the PG position. I don't know if Trey is the answer but he can't be any worse than these three guys. I think Clark should be the backup simply because he has potential and may just be a little to anxious when he gets in the game.

Jefferson is a nice player but he shouldn't be starting on a winning team. The fact that he starts on the Jazz shows you how bad our roster is.

Harris - tough guy who plays hard but there is a reason why he hasn't been able to stick. He can't shoot and makes a lot of dumb plays along with some nice ones. He is undersized but what does it say about Favors when Harris was playing over him in the 3rd quarter?

Is Trey Burke even practicing yet? What is the time table for his return? Is Beidrins still alive? (not that he would help much). What about Marvin Williams or Jeremy Evans? Man, I must be crazy thinking Evans or Williams will save this team. I just hope they can help it.

The Jazz are going to need to step up their defensive game because it is painfully obvious that Hayward and Kanter are the only two guys who can consistently score. Burks is streaky and Favors needs to be set up and be more active. The rest of the bunch are pathetic except maybe Jefferson.
 
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David Stern said:
We obviously still need a go-to guy, but it's nice to see Hayward and Kanter playing well. We've got a potential franchise center with Enes, and Derrick is the perfect player next to him. Give us one more perimeter scorer (Wiggins, Parker, whoever) and we'll be dangerous. I guess we'll need a coach too.
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Man that is pretty optimistic thinking Jazz are one more perimeter scorer away from being dangerous. The Jazz need a lot of help both offensively and defensively. Look at other teams bench and then compare them to the Jazz. The Jazz need Burke, and their two draft picks next year to be very good players in order for them to be considered dangerous. Favors actually playing like he gives a damn would help too.
 
cowhide said:
Man that is pretty optimistic thinking Jazz are one more perimeter scorer away from being dangerous. The Jazz need a lot of help both offensively and defensively. Look at other teams bench and then compare them to the Jazz. The Jazz need Burke, and their two draft picks next year to be very good players in order for them to be considered dangerous. Favors actually playing like he gives a damn would help too.
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Clark is shooting .091 from the field and has scored 3 points for the season. The Jazz are stuck numbers wise right now as far as brining another player in. Clark or Tinsley or Lucas would have to be waived to be able to do that and all are owed guaranteed money.
 
candrew said:
Clarke is a joke - he's a shooter that can't shoot. His form is awkward and he rushes every shot. Most nights on D he'll be overmatched physically. He was able to hang in there last night because The Celtic Guards are stick figures.

Not an NBA player.
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Are Tinsley and JLIII NBA players? Clarke can not possibly be a worse defender than either JLIII or Tinsley at the 1. If Burks starts at the 1, who's backing him up? What other options are there with Burke out?
 
Lattimer said:
I count 4. All four young guys. Favors is double teamed every time he gets it in the post, Burks needs to be guarded and you are referring to Hay and Kant so 4.
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Favors has no O. I'll agree that Burks has been pretty good in stretches as well.

In terms of overall offense this season:

1. Hayward
2. Kanter
3. Burks


4. Jefferson (???)







5. Harris?


What the ****? If Richard Jefferson is your 4th best offensive player, and an undersized tweener from the dleague is your 5th best offensive player, you're not going to score the basketball.
 
GVC said:
Favors has no O. I'll agree that Burks has been pretty good in stretches as well.

In terms of overall offense this season:

1. Hayward
2. Kanter
3. Burks


4. Jefferson (???)







5. Harris?


What the ****? If Richard Jefferson is your 4th best offensive player, and an undersized tweener from the dleague is your 5th best offensive player, you're not going to score the basketball.
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You said that the jazz only have 2 that need to be guarded. That's what I was commenting on. Favors has a ways to go. But I was arguing that he very much needs to be guarded, which is why I pointed out that he gets double teamed down there every time now.

The last two games he has tried that spin but it isn't working cus he spins into the double teaming defender. That's just one example.

Now that he has found that spin to be effective he needs to develop counters and work through getting double teamed.
 
All we need is some Jimmer.
shooter, who will not stand in the way of " da tank" by bringing in some W's on his own.
But he will sell tickets and we may chat and/or fret about him!
We really need Fredette...
 
candrew said:
Clarke is a joke - he's a shooter that can't shoot. His form is awkward and he rushes every shot. Most nights on D he'll be overmatched physically. He was able to hang in there last night because The Celtic Guards are stick figures.

Not an NBA player.
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I'm not there yet, but watching him blow to open 3s was painful. Still too small a sample size to give up on him.
 
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