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Hollinger Power Ranking....Utah Jazz ranked 12th WTF???

Lakers_Slapper

Lakers_Slapper

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I know its just one guys opinion, but this seems a little harsh. Just curious to see the difference of opinions out there. What do yall think about this?
 
This is the one response to this I make a year. Hollinger's rankings are a formula. It's mathematics. It's not his opinion. A computer, using his formula, generates his 'opinion' daily. I'm not smart enough to quibble with his math. His ranking is a thing I look at from time to time, like lots of things I look at, and it's just a thing. But it does weigh heavily scoring margin which, according to studies I also don't have the knowledge to question, is apparently meaningful, and we're obviously not that great in that department.
 
billyshelby said:
This is the one response to this I make a year. Hollinger's rankings are a formula. It's mathematics. It's not his opinion. A computer, using his formula, generates his 'opinion' daily. I'm not smart enough to quibble with his math. His ranking is a thing I look at from time to time, like lots of things I look at, and it's just a thing. But it does weigh heavily scoring margin which, according to studies I also don't have the knowledge to question, is apparently meaningful, and we're obviously not that great in that department.
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You just ought to save this post somewhere with quick and easy access so you can copy and paste it.

Hell, maybe I should do that.
 
When was the list compiled? If it was before the road trip I could see his point, but after? Jazz might not be playing a complete game of outstanding basketball but nobody can take away the achievement of going out there and knocking off playoff teams on the road. I'd say that puts us top 5, maybe even top 3 right now.
 
dwill_mvp said:
When was the list compiled? If it was before the road trip I could see his point, but after? Jazz might not be playing a complete game of outstanding basketball but nobody can take away the achievement of going out there and knocking off playoff teams on the road. I'd say that puts us top 5, maybe even top 3 right now.
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billyshelby said:
This is the one response to this I make a year. Hollinger's rankings are a formula. It's mathematics. It's not his opinion. A computer, using his formula, generates his 'opinion' daily. I'm not smart enough to quibble with his math. His ranking is a thing I look at from time to time, like lots of things I look at, and it's just a thing. But it does weigh heavily scoring margin which, according to studies I also don't have the knowledge to question, is apparently meaningful, and we're obviously not that great in that department.
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dwill_mvp said:
When was the list compiled? If it was before the road trip I could see his point, but after?
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The rankings are redone every day.

We were #20 before the Miami game. We are being held down by those first two blowout games.
 
Rockets are 1 spot ahead of the Jazz at a record of 2-6 (as of Nov. 14th). If that doesn't show how fatally flawed those rankings are, I don't know what does. At some point, common sense has to take over. But, that's Hollinger for you.
 
What Billy said. Hollinger has no opinion. He runs his formula and it tells him what to think. Pretty much scoring margin is his main factor. Silly things like W/L record take a backseat to being able to dominate crappy teams and lose to everybody else.
 
Houston is ahead of us because they have played a lot harder teams.

Our strength of schedule is sub .500. Theirs is almost .600
 
Top 10 teams don't get down 20 consistently and have to dig their way out. Top 10 teams control the game.

While I agree we should be ranked higher, the Jazz need to get it together and stop losing control of games early. If we were playing the Lakers or the Celtics there's no way we grind out a win. No way.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Top 10 teams don't get down 20 consistently and have to dig their way out. Top 10 teams control the game.

While I agree we should be ranked higher, the Jazz need to get it together and stop losing control of games early. If we were playing the Lakers or the Celtics there's no way we grind out a win. No way.
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Agree. Though I admire this team's resiliency, we could just as easily be 2-8 right now instead of 7-3 or somewhere in between. Jazz have got to find a way to shoot better from the start. The tremendous comebacks have also forced the starters to play way too many minutes. That's going to take a toll as the season progresses. And we're really in trouble if one of our main 6 goes down.
 
LunaticWolf said:
Houston is ahead of us because they have played a lot harder teams.

Our strength of schedule is sub .500. Theirs is almost .600
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I know that. That doesn't make the ranking system any less flawed. A 2-6 team is rated higher than a 7-3 team just because their schedule is harder. Why don't we just let the teams with the hardest schedules at the end of the season make the playoffs?
 
And I think we all know the big deficits have to stop and they will. A team still developing chemistry together is prone to inconsistencies. High high's and low low's. But I'll take the result from this road trip every single time, even if it has to come the way it did. It was just one of those bizarre things...
 
My question is why do we care? His equation has us at 12 so what. The only thing that matters is win/loss. Doesn't matter if you win in triple overtime or if you blow teams out. At the end of the season you get home court via win/loss.
 
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