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How Tanking ruins the NBA and possible solutions

BTP

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I've grown a little bit tired lately reading guys blasting JL3, ridiculing Marvin, wishing Corbin to hell and debating over Biedrins and Gobert.
Due to the questionable quality of Jazz games I've been transitioning from rewatching the full games during the next evening to rewatching full quarters that might have been competitive and interesting according to the boxscore to watching the LP 8 min summaries during meals and now I've reached the 2 min summaries with little interest to rewatch double digit losses with uninspired coaching. But gotta do something in the morning while brushing my teeth.

Other teams I actually enjoyed watching include the Pacers, Thunder, Spurs, Mavs, Rockets, Magic, Hawks, Pistons and Suns. They have been playing some exciting fine to watch basketball.

But these serious tanking efforts this year are lowering the quality of the league and the league officials can be happy this is not a contract year for television rights, even though ESPN will certainly point out that once a decade there's a tank campaign and they are right to do so, not only to lower their costs, also to ensure better quality for the fans.

So as long as we got a system that grants you better odds to win the #1 with a worse record you'll try to outtank. We've already a CBA in place that punishes long term contracts with non franchise faces severely which should increase the free agent pool each summer increasingly giving more teams a chance to strengthen via free agency.
Look at last summer. The Bobcats, Hawks and Pistons wanted talent influx even though they are a small market while not handing out horrible contracts to good players. Millsap is already one of the most sought after contracts by pretenders that wanna make the jump to contenders. Jefferson might be slightly overpaid but would prolly have also accepted a smaller pay. 3 years duration limit the damage as well. Josh Smith is also market value even though he doesn't really fit the Pistons needs, which is why he may turn out to be a bad contract.

With an increasing number of talents declaring after freshmen and sophomore campaigns you have a lot of uncertainty with your talent in how they will turn out and each year has several gems in the 10s, 20s and sometimes deep into the 2nd round. So having high draftpicks enlarges your chances but doesn't guarantee your franchise success. There's plenty of roads that lead to Rome. Going the shortest way blindfolded is not a good choice though, Cleveland.
But in general front offices are developing in a direction where they rely more on analytics, tools and less on former NBA players who do a good newspaper quote. Yes I'm talking to you Isiah! So I'd argue they are acting more reasonable in general. The massive tanking is a sideeffect of that. They sold tryhard seasons to fans who are now extremely disgruntled to have paid money to not go to actual games of their teams. But in the digital era memory is short and drafting a top prospect will make them keep their seasontickets or get it back 1 year later.

So my proposal is: GET RID OF WEIGHED LOTTERY AS WE KNOW IT. You can't award a team a 4-9% higher chance to get #1 for winning a duel of losing the most games. Don't exclude playoff teams from it, so you don't give incentive to miss them.
So who participates in the lottery? All the teams that missed the playoffs and all the 1st round losers. That gives you a total of 22 teams. The 14 non playoff team get a slightly higher chance of scoring a higher seed.
The bottom 7 teams each get 6% of the lottery tickets for the #1 drawing. The next 7 each get a 4.857% chance and the 8 first round playoff losers each get a 3% chance. This would take any tanking incentive out of the game. Are you going to pull off shenanigans to gain 1.43% more chance? If you're a playoff team you don't do this for less than 2% more chance.
At the same time you make the draft lottery a bigger event and don't only draw the first 3, but you draw from 1 down to 10 and fill the rest according to standings. You could also make it even bigger but that would seem pointless IMO.
That obviously could give you some risk that some team that has an improving nucleus could land another #1 pick, but if you don't include them you're going to risk shifting the tankings from the cellar dwellers to the borderline playoff teams that wanna drop out. Just think about 2014...You'd rather have a 5% chance at Wiggins or get a 4-0 spanking from the Heat/Spurs/Thunder...Self explanatory. So you're not punishing any team for trying and rewarding good basketball.
Of course every 20 years that could lead to some ridiculous contention window, but I have further solutions for that.

First of all if you make rookie contracts scaled, don't leave teams the option to pay 80-120% of the scale. a scale is a scale...
Make rookie contracts incentive based and have these incentives covered by the league and don't count towards the cap. So if you're outplaying your rookie contract you don't get punished and you get rewarded. After 4 years players are restricted but I'd introduce 1 change to the max contract landscape...
The NBA has very few true franchise players and last thing you want to maintain competitiveness is these players teaming up without brutal repercussions.
Each team has 1 franchise player slot, for whom they can pay a starting salary equal to 30% of the cap starting after year 3 as nowadays you have players peaking in their early to mid 20s(athletic freaks like Howard, Stoudemire, Rose), mid 20s until threshold of 30(Durant, James seem good candidates) and sometimes even early to mid 30s(Dirk, MJ, Stockton, Kobe). This way you get paid what a team thinks you're worth from the beginning and teams can really attack youngsters after year 4 with these kind of aggressive offers if the team has 2 superstars.
So you have that 1 slot that you can pay a player a lot on and every other player can start at 20% of the cap with 4.5% raises. So stars would have to forfeit a lot of money to team up or you'd have to be playing a lot of years for the same ballclubs to reach the big numbers as a secondary options with 4.5% raises and new deals giving 105% of the previous contract.

This would leave a more balanced landscape and guarantee competitiveness. I might have of course not considered some obstacles or left out some on purpose. This would of course put new challenges on teams to put together quality teams as team chemistry and coaches might be more important than ever.
It would strengthen franchise identity for top tier talent as they'd have much to lose by swapping teams. I'm not even sure that the franchise player is a good idea but I really dislike these new age big 3 so much that I think it's important to get rid of that. They really cause half of the league to be starving in franchise talent. Building the right team with complementary pieces and stuff would be very important.

That's it for now as I fear any additional word will discourage more potential readers and participants to bring up their own ideas.
 
What if every team had the same chance, no matter what their record, and we drew from 1-10 as you proposed. Or what if we drew all positions, all the way through and then set up the second round purely based on record?
 
What if every team had the same chance, no matter what their record, and we drew from 1-10 as you proposed. Or what if we drew all positions, all the way through and then set up the second round purely based on record?

Well that's of course possible and wouldn't make much difference. I'd just exclude conference semifinalist as I don't think championship calibre teams should get a #1 unless it's a draft debt.
With my system I anticipate no active tanking and wider age variety through rosters. So it's not like you have a complete youngster team but players of all ages as you'd really target BPA for your system in free agency and not guys who fit your contention window age wise. So with constant influx of talent I think it's safer to say that teams are closer to each other by potential of the team.
By slightly weighing the chances to score a high pick I wanted to achieve that the worse teams in a season which are obviously not intentionally at the bottom of standings have a higher avg number of top10 picks as they really deserve them. And in case they don't deserve them they don't have the cap to keep all of them 4 years later similar to what happened to OKC. At the same time I tried to make sure the difference in amount of lottery tickets is so small that tanking isn't worth the repercussions.
I also think a hardcap would be awesome and the league should negotiate regional TV deals and include it in total revenue. This way you avoid Kobe discussions about billionaires not wanting to pay luxury tax for you to be their boytoy and blackmailing you for not taking a paycut in order to compete better. With a hardcap you have a pretty stable revenue for owners as well as guaranteed salaries for players. Basketball franchises are a business and should be for players, owners and employees.
 
Just heard a suggestion where you all the non play off teams to play in a tournament for draft spots. That way teams still want to win.
 
Just heard a suggestion where you all the non play off teams to play in a tournament for draft spots. That way teams still want to win.

1 big weakness:

I'm the Bulls in the first year after drafting Derrick Rose at 41-41. So they lose 5 more games and are out of the playoffs intentionally and simply clear the draftbracket. There's prolly similar examples. So basically if you're a borderline playoff team you'll try to cheat yourself out of the playoffs to miraculously win the #1. Don't like too much predictability on a draft system. Predictability makes it abusable.
 
I've grown a little bit tired lately..... blah blah blah.......blah blah blah

jazz aint tanking.

Jazz just plain SUCK. tanking is when you lose on purpose. as i watched corbin every single game he si trying to win. he is JUST A RETARD(yes mentally slow i said it. live with it and grow a pair)
 
While i agree that the system is flawed, it Would be a pretty hard pill to swallow to see a team that pushes a 1st round playoff series to 7 games then gets the number 1 pick (picture the thunder a few years ago after their 1st round exit --- you could tell that the next year they would start to dominate, now throw a number 1 pick on that then all of a sudden they are unbeatable for years). All the While the worst team in the league doesn't do much to improve, gets stuck where they are, with little to no hope for the fans.
 
Without a weighted scale, the NBA would become unwatchable. You have the really bad teams ending up with picks in the teens year after year, they would become atrocious, and be lucky to win 10 games. This is a star driven league, and if the bad teams don't get their chance at a star, then they will never have a chance to become competitive.

It is a flawed system, but there is no way to make it better via changing the draft. A hard cap might be the best way to make the league competitive, but players would hate that.
 
A true superstar will never sign with a small market team on the open market. Outside of Detroit in 2004, it is impossible to win without one. As long as this problem exists you can't have equal lottery odds. Your 3rd year signing idea helps a superstar stay put, but gives little to no avenue in acquiring one. A superstar comes out once every two years on average, so lottery teams would be looking at about a 2-3% chance to draft one each year. That's too low....small market teams could go 50 years if unlucky and never get a superstar.
 
I think you have to have a weighted system or else as sgjazz put it the Nba will become unwatchable. I think the problem is that it is too heavily weighted. They should go back to the odds they had in the early 90s and they should draw for the first 5 instead of just the first 3. When teams have a reasonable chance of moving up they will be less likely to tank.
 
I think you have to have a weighted system or else as sgjazz put it the Nba will become unwatchable. I think the problem is that it is too heavily weighted. They should go back to the odds they had in the early 90s and they should draw for the first 5 instead of just the first 3. When teams have a reasonable chance of moving up they will be less likely to tank.

Not bad, but distribute the percentage points heavier in the 3-5 range for teams seeding 10-14. I'd keep the chances of them getting #1 or #2 pretty minimal like now.
 
Almost always a team has to have one of the top five players in the league to win a championship.
Twenty five teams will always come up short.
Changing the lottery would not seem to change that.
Salary caps etc doesn't seem to work either.
NBA is very different from football, baseball, hockey.
NBA will never have parity.
Only way to level the playing field for all teams might be extreme rules changes.
Make the NBA a team sport again.
But have no idea what they might be.
There may be no solution for NBAs predicament.
 
Almost always a team has to have one of the top five players in the league to win a championship.
Twenty five teams will always come up short.
Changing the lottery would not seem to change that.
Salary caps etc doesn't seem to work either.
NBA is very different from football, baseball, hockey.
NBA will never have parity.
Only way to level the playing field for all teams might be extreme rules changes.
Make the NBA a team sport again.

But have no idea what they might be.
There may be no solution for NBAs predicament.

Letting players play real physical D would help a lot imo. I believe the Nba opened up the paint and instituted the perimeter hand check rules in an effort to create stars.
 
Why not just scrap all this complicated ******** and just randomly draw from the 14 lottery teams? Like it used to be.

Hell, I'm actually in favour from all 30 teams being in the lottery and having a single ball in. Whoever wins, wins.
 
Maybe take the final four or eight teams in the playoffs out of the lottery.
They probably already have a top five on their team.
 
Tanking is irrelevant. The NBA is doing better this year than it has in a long time. LA, NY, Brooklyn, Houston are all interesting and relevant. TV ratings are up. Everyone is making money. The whole system is set up to tank. It is a part of the game. It comes with guaranteed contracts. You can't change the lottery either. You have to give small market teams a chance to compete. Without tanking, Utah would NEVER win, or even compete for a title.

What would a team like Utah do, if there wasn't a lottery set up the way it is? Without tanking, and winning the lottery, Utah has NO chance. None. Zip. Zero. Nada. The only thing more fair to do is to take away the lottery and just give picks on record ala the NFL.

Whine about tanking all you want this year. When we get Jabari and turn into the Spurs, you can enjoy it with the rest of us.
 
I think you have to have a weighted system or else as sgjazz put it the Nba will become unwatchable. I think the problem is that it is too heavily weighted. They should go back to the odds they had in the early 90s and they should draw for the first 5 instead of just the first 3. When teams have a reasonable chance of moving up they will be less likely to tank.

I disagree. If the lottery was drawn on the top 5, with worse odds for #1, would Utah be doing anything different this year? I doubt it. It wouldn't change anything.
 
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