This.
I hope Wes goes gangbusters. He's a great kid and a helluva player. But keeping him for that price would have been wrong.
Bring back Wes
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This.
I hope Wes goes gangbusters. He's a great kid and a helluva player. But keeping him for that price would have been wrong.
I don't think that's right.
The rule is that if the Jazz had matched on Matthews, they couldn't trade him to Portland for a year. I don't think it works the other way around. The Blazers should be able to trade him to any team beginning December 29.
Well I would not call Portland smart. They extended Roy even though he had health issues. This is the same franchise that drafted Sam Bowie over Jordan even though Bowie had fractured his leg/ankle in college, traded the #3 pick because they already had a PG Telfair, and then passed on Durrant for a broken down center Oden who had a sketchy medical history prior to the draft.
Getting Wes wasn't some planned event, but in the end the Blazers come out looking smart but I would say more luck than brains.
billyshelby
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If I was given the chance to choose Wes or Hayward straight up for a dollar, I'd choose Hayward. That's no knock on Matthews who I think is going to be a valuable sub for a long time. But Wes' ceiling is obvious. Limited athleticism and build, limited skills, infinite hustle and heart. What little I've seen of Hayward shows me he has more size, talent, and upside than Wes can dream of. He may not realize it. And Wes would most likely help us more THIS year. But Hayward will be the better player before it's done.
DutchJazzer
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wes scored 30 points for blazers with his first start. if we had wes we would have been 11-0
DutchJazzer
Banned
the game he played for blazers tonight begs to differ.
42 minutes as starter 11-19fg 5-103pters 3rbs 3 assist 3steals 1block and 30 points.
i'd rather have wes then ak.
you my friend got pwned by matthews
billyshelby
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Wes over AK? That's too silly to even address. Wes had a wonderful game against Memphis. One of those nights. I hope, for our sake, Portland thinks he should start permanently. That would be wonderful.
Wes Montgomery, West Coast Blues.
...in case you were wondering if this was over everyone's head.
DutchJazzer
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never said we should trade wes for ak. just saying i'd rather have wess. jazz should have tried everything to trade ak en match wes.
but no use crying over spilled milk
DutchJazzer
Banned
one of those nights. lets see what he does with 30-40 minuutes a night as roy is done for the time being
Lost_Jazz_Fan
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Jazzfanz = Sparta?
It’s likely Matthews could well be the one who got away. Sure, Matthews was signed for Millsap money but isn’t the MLE the going rate for a starting SG who could probably bring around 15ppg and solid defense.
The Jazz right now are paying the equivalent of close to Matthews’ salary this year for the collection of a washed-up Bell and scrubs like Watson and Elson, when matching Wes plus a couple of cheaper 3rd stringers would’ve probably been a better deal. And with next year AK’s max coming off the books and Okur an expiring, they could’ve adjusted other signings accordingly.
I started this Bring back Wes thread before Matthews’ 30-point, 5 3-pointer game, hoping Portland might still think he wasn’t a good fit. Oh well.
The Jazz right now are paying the equivalent of close to Matthews’ salary this year for the collection of a washed-up Bell and scrubs like Watson and Elson, when matching Wes plus a couple of cheaper 3rd stringers would’ve probably been a better deal. And with next year AK’s max coming off the books and Okur an expiring, they could’ve adjusted other signings accordingly.
I started this Bring back Wes thread before Matthews’ 30-point, 5 3-pointer game, hoping Portland might still think he wasn’t a good fit. Oh well.
Could be that. Sorry.
ncoloradojazz
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and thats why you are not a gm cuz you would be fired quickly.You call wes athletic abilty limited, Lmao have you seen hayward that is the limitred one
The Watson/Elson part isn't quite true. Watson makes $1.229M and Elson makes $1.146M, but the Jazz only pay them $854,389 each (the league pays the rest). All players with 2 years experience or more cost their teams the same $854,389, so the only way the Jazz could have saved money on those two roster spots would be to pick up rookies ($473,604) or players with 1 year experience ($762,195). Personally, I'd take Watson over a rookie/soph PG about any day given the small difference. Same probably goes for Elson, but either way, I don't think these two figure into the Matthews decision process.
The real question boils down to this: is Matthews worth $5.5 million more than Bell this year? With luxury tax penalty, Matthews would have cost the Jazz $11.5M this year (and actually more cash than that, due to upfront payments). Bell will cost them $6M including tax.
vslice02
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Not to mention after this season, Wes' salaries are $6.1, $6.5, $6.9, and $7.2 million. With a new CBA that will undoubtedly have a lower cap, that's definitely alot of money for a role player, albeit a quality one. In this case it has nothing to do with the player and is all about the contract.
DutchJazzer
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thats whjat i hate people putting tax hit on a certain players
if at all tax hit should eb on ak or memo
