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This years Defence Appriciation Thread

GoJazz

GoJazz

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Without the amazing overall improvement this year in defense we don't make any of those come backs, we would be able to lose the rebounding battle night in and night, we wouldnt be able to have pretty much everyone on the team shooting 5% under there career average and still win games.

SO PROPS GO TO THE ENTIRE TEAM AND THERE MUCH IMPROVED EFFORT ON DEFENSE
 
Based on stats, the Jazz have improved vastly on defense but when you actually watch the games, you pretty much forget the stops the Jazz make because of the tens of offensive rebounds they give up just because of lack of fundamental knowledge (box out) and concentration. Instead, since the Jazz get so few offensive rebounds compared to the opponents, you tend to moan about missed shots and start to feel like every missed shot is a bad selected one. Back to the original topic, yeah, the Jazz have been solid defensively, so far. However, I do not put them in the same class as Spurs, NOH, Magic, Dallas, yet.
 
Give them time. Imagin being a guard who has never had to rotate and box out due to Boozer/Okur never rotating to alter shots. It's totally different then what they are use to. This is a totally different team and I believe a much better team then the one we had last year. (I do miss Mathews but that contact was unmatchable)
 
memo is money said:
Based on stats, the Jazz have improved vastly on defense but when you actually watch the games, you pretty much forget the stops the Jazz make because of the tens of offensive rebounds they give up just because of lack of fundamental knowledge (box out) and concentration. Instead, since the Jazz get so few offensive rebounds compared to the opponents, you tend to moan about missed shots and start to feel like every missed shot is a bad selected one. Back to the original topic, yeah, the Jazz have been solid defensively, so far. However, I do not put them in the same class as Spurs, NOH, Magic, Dallas, yet.
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....you might be on to something here, because we are winning games when our offense seems so far out of sync it boggles the mind! The defense is getting stops when it needs to, we are not turning the ball over as much on offense, we still look discombobulated much of the time....but we are 8-4! Smoke and Mirrors....or what you said?
 
I wonder if the departure of Bozzer has anything to do with the improved *defence.
 
VINYLONE said:
I wonder if the departure of Bozzer has anything to do with the improved *defence.
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...yes it does!.....and we don't miss his 5 turnovers per game either! It may not have been that many, but he sure seemed prone to fumbling the ball at the most in opportune time!
 
carolinajazz said:
...yes it does!.....and we don't miss his 5 turnovers per game either! It may not have been that many, but he sure seemed prone to fumbling the ball at the most in opportune time!
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Yeah, and if we traded Deron for Calderon, we would be the ultimate team.
 
Rebounding rates are pretty bad. .25 Offensive Rebounding rate, and a .681 defense rebounding rate, .472 total. .5 would mean a team has gotten the same amount of rebounds as the opposing teams. I'd say an average rate would be about .27 and .73. We're below average in both categories, though we're a better offensive rebounding team than defensive rebounding team. The worst offensive rebounding team in the league is New Orleans, at .215, and the worst defensive rebounding team is Phoenix, at .662. Utah is second worst, though many teams are between .7 and the Jazz' .681.

Any way you look at it, the Jazz can't rebound.
 
First off, defense and rebounding are totally different skills. As I mentioned in another thread, Chuck Daly's Detroit Pistons in their championship years were a model defensive team, but gave up more offensive rebounds than many teams. Committing to defense often puts players out of position to get a rebound; AND the bad shots forced up can be tougher to rebound than more predictable shots.
I have to agree our overall D is improved over years past. I have been disappointed in Jefferson's D, but hopefully it'll get better as he gets acclimated to the Jazz. He does make an effort to get his body on people, unlike the Booze man....
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Rebounding rates are pretty bad. .25 Offensive Rebounding rate, and a .681 defense rebounding rate, .472 total. .5 would mean a team has gotten the same amount of rebounds as the opposing teams. I'd say an average rate would be about .27 and .73. We're below average in both categories, though we're a better offensive rebounding team than defensive rebounding team. The worst offensive rebounding team in the league is New Orleans, at .215, and the worst defensive rebounding team is Phoenix, at .662. Utah is second worst, though many teams are between .7 and the Jazz' .681.

Any way you look at it, the Jazz can't rebound.
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Interesting that the Hornets are a bad rebounding team...never would have guessed.
 
This is why you need guards crashing the boards if you expect to both play interior defense and recover from it. Jefferson's interior D >>> Bozzer's. Bozzer's idea of interior D was watch the guy go by and "grab it Memo!" if he happens to miss.

Still, small sample size, rough schedule, huge role changes on the team.. to be 9-5 at this point is better than anybody could have asked for.
 
unluckyseventeen said:
This is why you need guards crashing the boards if you expect to both play interior defense and recover from it. Jefferson's interior D >>> Bozzer's. Bozzer's idea of interior D was watch the guy go by and "grab it Memo!" if he happens to miss.
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We know the pitfall of equating blocks with defense--or help defense--but even with the frequency of Jefferson's subpar D, he still has one more than half the blocks that Bozzer did during the entire season.

Given that AJ might at least take a step toward the man, I'd say that--at best--Jefferson's interior D > Bozzer's. One ">" at most. Sadly, Little Al (not "Big Al" until he puts forth consistent effort) has the ability to be ">>" or maybe even ">>>". It's focus and conditioning that he lacks. And in the past two games Phil Johnson proved that he's not going to enforce the effort that they hypocritically teach any more than Sloan is.

Still, small sample size, rough schedule, huge role changes on the team.. to be 9-5 at this point is better than anybody could have asked for.
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Noooooo . . .

With even a modest increase in effort on defense (or enforcement thereof), this Utah team could be 12-2 right now. The offense is coming; but the poor help defense is disappointing. Meanwhile, the poor boxing out is inexcusable. And it's not just AJ deficient in that department.
 
This many posts and no one has pointed out that the Jazz haven't improved defensively? Last year: 102.9 pts. per 100 possessions, 11th in the NBA.
This year: 103.5 pts. per 100 possessions, 11th in the NBA
 
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