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But...like really.....how the **** are we gonna get a star?

Bodhi

Bodhi

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Realistically our chances of getting one of the 4 (arguable as Exum is still more of an unknown than the rest) impact/potential stars in the draft aren't good. Getting a star in free agency is a non-starter.

Then we saw what happened with Houston and Harden and people started saying "we are postioning ourselves well for a similar situation". Ok, name the guy and the team. That's the exception, not the rule.

So, again, where or how do you see us getting a star player? I genuinely think we have a lot of the other necessary pieces ready to go if or when a star arrives. IMO, our only hope is DL is willing to be a lot more bold than KOC/Millers in the past, if the draft doesn't work out (management isn't helping, obviously, with this).

We thought there was a plan. Not so sure now.
 
We just need to get a player who has the potential for top-20 play.

A Lebron or Durant isn't available. A guy who is consensus top-5 all the time. We can get a guy like an Aldridge, Lillard, Griffin, etc. Someone who doesn't really jump out as being a top 15 guy, but has the potential on any given night to play at that level.
 
I can't fathom the Millers being so dense as to not realize the financial impacts of a tank. It effects us to a negligible degree now, financially speaking. The opportunity cost we could potentially lose over the next 10 years is huge. I'm talking [size]huge[/size].
 
Bodhi said:
Realistically our chances of getting one of the 4 (arguable as Exum is still more of an unknown than the rest) impact/potential stars in the draft aren't good. Getting a star in free agency is a non-starter.

Then we saw what happened with Houston and Harden and people started saying "we are postioning ourselves well for a similar situation". Ok, name the guy and the team. That's the exception, not the rule.

So, again, where or how do you see us getting a star player? I genuinely think we have a lot of the other necessary pieces ready to go if or when a star arrives. IMO, our only hope is DL is willing to be a lot more bold than KOC/Millers in the past, if the draft doesn't work out (management isn't helping, obviously, with this).

We thought there was a plan. Not so sure now.
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Outside of the Irving situation turning ugly in Cleveland, can't name one other player. Holding on to Burks and hoping he becomes "that guy" is really all we got.
 
infection said:
I can't fathom the Millers being so dense as to not realize the financial impacts of a tank. It effects us to a negligible degree now, financially speaking. The opportunity cost we could potentially lose over the next 10 years is huge. I'm talking [size]huge[/size].
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Every bit of this.
 
Bodhi said:
Every bit of this.
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And all it really takes is tanking a few key games. Really. I get that it's hard to assemble a team that wins a championship. We've tried that for a couple decades now. But how ******* hard is it to lose. Really?
 
I really like Burks and think he will be a fine scorer for us but, IMO, he's a lot like Corey Maggette. Both good and bad.
 
Am I the only one who gets less interested in the Jazz with each win this year? They win when they should lose. The lack of improvement of the core minus Burks is also nerving.
 
infection said:
And all it really takes is tanking a few key games. Really. I get that it's hard to assemble a team that wins a championship. We've tried that for a couple decades now. But how ******* hard is it to lose. Really?
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When there are teams like the Sixers out there it's pretty ****ing hard.

Utah still has a much better homecourt than most tanking teams. I think Utah ranks something like 19th in ticket sales, which isn't great, but I'm nearly positive is great for the bottom 10 teams.

Our talent is way better. Just look at the past Sixers game. Hayward was outplaying their entire team and he was shooting 33% from the field. Burks didnt even look like he was trying that hard and he dominated their wings and finish around all of their bigs.
 
Bodhi said:
I really like Burks and think he will be a fine scorer for us but, IMO, he's a lot like Corey Maggette. Both good and bad.
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Maggette was always on **** teams though. Burks could be Maggette reborn on a playoff team.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
When there are teams like the Sixers out there it's pretty ****ing hard.

Utah still has a much better homecourt than most tanking teams. I think Utah ranks something like 19th in ticket sales, which isn't great, but I'm nearly positive is great for the bottom 10 teams.

Our talent is way better. Just look at the past Sixers game. Hayward was outplaying their entire team and he was shooting 33% from the field. Burks didnt even look like he was trying that hard and he dominated their wings and finish around all of their bigs.
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But from the FO end they need to be hamstringing this. People think tanking hard would be too extreme but I think they lack some simple foresight of what's at stake. These people, 6 years in the future, will look back and say, "lolz we could have never been in that position" when the argument will frequently come up about how we should have tanked harder because those 3-4 games really cost us (as fans) and the ownership (in a decade of $$$) a pretty large amount.

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Bodhi said:
I really like Burks and think he will be a fine scorer for us but, IMO, he's a lot like Corey Maggette. Both good and bad.
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I made that comparison right from the start. I love Burks off the bench. Maggette was always getting a ton of FT's. Burks can absolutely dominate 2nd units. I'm not hitting the panic button yet, but I think it is obviously time to consider packaging Kanter if there's a team that is desperate for a big. Utah has a hidden gem in Gobert. He and Favors can anchor the middle. Need a stretch-4 and a SF who can hit some shots. I seriously doubt the 9+Kanter+GS pick is enough to move into the top-3 or 4. That's trying to get a franchise player for three guys who may never make an all-star team. Just not enough value there.
 
Core4 said:
I made that comparison right from the start. I love Burks off the bench. Maggette was always getting a ton of FT's. Burks can absolutely dominate 2nd units. I'm not hitting the panic button yet, but I think it is obviously time to consider packaging Kanter if there's a team that is desperate for a big. Utah has a hidden gem in Gobert. He and Favors can anchor the middle. Need a stretch-4 and a SF who can hit some shots. I seriously doubt the 9+Kanter+GS pick is enough to move into the top-3 or 4. That's trying to get a franchise player for three guys who may never make an all-star team. Just not enough value there.
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We also have a hidden gem in Kanter.
 
infection said:
And all it really takes is tanking a few key games. Really. I get that it's hard to assemble a team that wins a championship. We've tried that for a couple decades now. But how ******* hard is it to lose. Really?
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If it's so easy to tank for the Jazz, isn't it just as easy for the other teams? I mean, right now, we're ahead of the Lakers and the Sixers, whom we just played. Suppose our FO rested whomever the pro-tank crew believes is leading us to victory this week(I can't keep track, you people keep changing your mind...Jefferson, Marvin, Hayward, Burks). What the hell is stopping the Sixers, who want a top-3 pick just as hard, from resting whatever players they have?
 
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