Hantlers
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I still don't think you understand what the term racist means.
Should a business be allowed to discrimate on the basis of a customer's sexual orientation?
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I still don't think you understand what the term racist means.
Wikipedia:
Racism is actions, practices or beliefs, or social or political systems that consider different races to be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities. It may also hold that members of different races should be treated differently.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
I have to say that dodo you are off base. Thinking that people have the right to be racist is not the same as being racist yourself. I simply think you have missed this argument completely.
If I was in a restaurant that refused service to anyone because of religion, skin tone, sexual orientation...then my family would get up and leave. I'd no longer frequent that business. I don't agree with their decision to discriminate but a private non public funded business should have the right to do so.
If I was in a restaurant that refused service to anyone because of religion, skin tone, sexual orientation...then my family would get up and leave. I'd no longer frequent that business. I don't agree with their decision to discriminate but a private non public funded business should have the right to do so.
So, what you really want is repeal of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Since that would be the law that the business will be breaking by refusing service based skin color, gender, etc.
"should" is a pretty key word here. Maybe you could wiki that one while you're at it.
For private business and private individuals yes. If they want to act like a bunch or racists, bigots, idiots (choose your word) then they should have the right to do so.
Anything funded and maintained by society, such as SSA and schools, should not be allowed to discriminate for any reason. That includes legalizing gay marriage.
Wrong. All Hantler's statement says is that he thinks if a person wants to be racist, that's their right. Not that he agrees with them or that he is racist himself.
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No I'm doesn't!
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Yes exactly that is what everyone here wants all the time, the total repeal of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. We will stand for nothing less. We want everyone to go back to the 1800's in terms of decorum, knowledge, morals, and standards. You read that exactly correctly.
Never has there been a more fitting name on JF, tbh.
Hantlers
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You're really gonna use Wikipedia, and then use Racism instead of racist? Yes, there is a difference in the words, I wouldn't expect you to realize that though. Let me help you out.
Racist: a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
That sound like anything I said? Didn't think so.
GVC
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Private businesses are in many ways "funded and maintained by society". If these businesses supplied their own roads, electricity, water, law enforcement, etc., then maybe you'd have a point, but they don't.
GVC
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Nope (can I assume you're trolling with this response?). My point is that the distinction you're making is pretty ****ing arbitrary. These businesses, for better or worse, make use of public resources.
Well by that standard we should have the federal government tell everyone what thy should do in everything. I mean we all use roads and public utilities right? Good thing we have no brother to tell is how to act in everything.
That's basically what your saying. And I simply don't agree.
GVC
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That's not at all what I'm saying. I was just pointing out that both private and public businesses make use of public resources and are constrained by the laws of the land. What laws apply to what businesses for what reasons is a choice we make as a society.
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Nice try. If you are going to quote someone you should use the whole quote. When you cherry pick a quote your argument loses it's validity.
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Don't let him know!! I personally get great enjoyment out of people posting that Obama quote.
In my opinion this is a bunch of nonsense and is only going to open a can of worms. The fact that gov['t is wasting their time on this issue only shows how incompetent they have become. Arizona is going to lose in the end which has happened to most all of their nonsense legislation they have tried to pass. I really can't understand how this is good for business.
So are you limiting your business to only heterosexual people? What about heterosexual people who don't believe in the bible, or "sinners" who don't follow your beliefs. This is human pettiness at its worse and has very little to do with religious freedom and more to bigotry. This same argument was used to not serve black people. The laws that allow businesses to refuse service were more to do with unruly behavior or people wearing no shirts or shoes and not about discriminating against people of race, gender and sexual orientation.
I always find religious people's claims of persecution funny. Since they are asking for permission to discriminate against some one based upon their religious beliefs. Would they refuse treatment from a doctor who is gay if he/she were the only one who could help them? What about if they were in a burning building and the fireman was gay? Would they claim religious beliefs and reject his help? Are they going to ask the doctor/fireman if they are gay?
Should the doctor/fireman have to disclose this to every person they come into contact. This piece of legislation is beyond any common sense and is based in the belief that a religious person's belief system is more important than another person's right to be treated like everyone else. Sometimes when I think this country is moving forward I end up shaking my head when I read stories like this.
No business owners do not have the right to refuse service to anyone. The law has protections build into it. A funny thing happened in the 60s, it was called the Civil Rights movement and there have been other laws created to stop discriminatory practices. Like I said earlier, the tables can be turned the other way around what happens if I am a business owner and I say that I won't serve Christians. I am sure the religious people would have a cow. I agree this bill is about sticking it to the gays and forcing their religious ideology on others. Man if Christ could only see what his followers are doing now. Just another reason why I won't spend a dime in Arizona.
Yet you are ok with the state telling people what to do.