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Bodhi said:
Stauskas, along with McD, will be great values in this draft, looking back I believe. While the very best teams win championships with defense, you still have to put the ball in the basket too. Both look to be able to do that very well while making it easier for others on their given teams to be able to work on the inside a bit easier.

I almost value both equally and I think both are fringe top 10's once you get passed the "he COULD, maybe, be a star" guys.
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Stausakas I agree with because he can create his own shot and has the capability to play defense.

I don't agree with McDermott, because he hasn't shown the ability to create his own shot against good opponents, and he absolutely cannot play defense. I most certainly think he can play a role, possibly similar to Kyle Korver (I'm not comparing them as players, just the role they play), but I feel that he's more of a liability on defense than an asset on offense. IMO, you don't take that type of player in the lottery.
 
Hantlers said:
Stausakas I agree with because he can create his own shot and has the capability to play defense.

I don't agree with McDermott, because he hasn't shown the ability to create his own shot against good opponents, and he absolutely cannot play defense. I most certainly think he can play a role, possibly similar to Kyle Korver (I'm not comparing them as players, just the role they play), but I feel that he's more of a liability on defense than an asset on offense. IMO, you don't take that type of player in the lottery.
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I agree with a lot of that but let me ask you this; then whom do you take after the first 8 or so guys? I personally think McD will score efficiently at the next level. That's just an opinion obviously but if I'm right and he can stretch the floor and be in the right defensive scheme, that's a very solid pick.

It's more of a safe pick and not a "swing for the fences" type but after the recognized top 8 this draft is a free for all. At that point, if I'm a GM, I look for a guy with a potential elite level skill. Getting a really solid all around player or all-star is more luck than true scouting later in the draft order, IMO. Sure, Parker is a phenomenal example of the Spurs front office acumen but if they drafted at 5 would they have taken Tony Parker from France over Richardson or Battier? No.
 
Bodhi said:
I agree with a lot of that but let me ask you this; then whom do you take after the first 8 or so guys? I personally think McD will score efficiently at the next level. That's just an opinion obviously but if I'm right and he can stretch the floor and be in the right defensive scheme, that's a very solid pick.

It's more of a safe pick and not a "swing for the fences" type but after the recognized top 8 this draft is a free for all. At that point, if I'm a GM, I look for a guy with a potential elite level skill. Getting a really solid all around player or all-star is more luck than true scouting later in the draft order, IMO. Sure, Parker is a phenomenal example of the Spurs front office acumen but if they drafted at 5 would they have taken Tony Parker from France over Richardson or Battier? No.
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Good points. It's why I hope we don't get a pick that's lower than #5 or #6.

I think Parker may have been an example of a player that just wasn't well-known. I'm not certain, but I feel like that was during the time period when foreign players were still unknown for the most part, except for the Spurs scouts over there.
 
Bodhi said:
I agree with a lot of that but let me ask you this; then whom do you take after the first 8 or so guys? I personally think McD will score efficiently at the next level. That's just an opinion obviously but if I'm right and he can stretch the floor and be in the right defensive scheme, that's a very solid pick.

It's more of a safe pick and not a "swing for the fences" type but after the recognized top 8 this draft is a free for all. At that point, if I'm a GM, I look for a guy with a potential elite level skill. Getting a really solid all around player or all-star is more luck than true scouting later in the draft order, IMO. Sure, Parker is a phenomenal example of the Spurs front office acumen but if they drafted at 5 would they have taken Tony Parker from France over Richardson or Battier? No.
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I wonder who is worse defensively McD or Nikkk??


It might come down to that if you think they can both score just as well. I'm more inclined to say that Nikkk could be a better defender because he seems lighter on his feet.
 
^^^

BTW I know it's a different game, but the NZ Breakers - the local basketball team here in NZ, won the NBL Australian Championship three years in a roll on the back of Kirk Penny and CJ Bruton, both of whom are knock-down 3pt shooters with defensive limitations.


Sometimes it helps when you have guys who can just flat out "shoot".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n4lajkOR40
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
were going to prevent basketball players from going pro before 21 for what... safety?

what if NFLer Amobi Okoye was an NBA player... he graduated from Louisville at 19.. hed have to sit 2 years?
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My own opinion is that this is simply a business decision that clearly favors the franchise owners. It's so that owners and GMs can make more informed draft/investment decisions on players, and rely less on advanced scouting.

The draft system is supposed to favor the weaker teams that need to improve in order to win fan support ($$$). However, if a player is too early in his development, then GMs and owners may feel that they don't have enough information to base their drafting decisions, and they risk wasting years and millions of dollars on the wrong player. See Bennett, Anthony; Oden, Greg; and Robinson, Thomas; etc.

Some people would say that's part of the sport--with the draft being an inexact science. Owners are saying, "**** you, and your inexact science."
 
Hotttnickkk said:
I wonder who is worse defensively McD or Nikkk??


It might come down to that if you think they can both score just as well. I'm more inclined to say that Nikkk could be a better defender because he seems lighter on his feet.
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I think as much as anything, the difference is who else you have on your team and it's current makeup. Both will give you much the same thing but at different positions and in diff ways to work within the rest of your offense, again depending on who you currently have, and where.
 
Bodhi said:
I think as much as anything, the difference is who else you have on your team and it's current makeup. Both will give you much the same thing but at different positions and in diff ways to work within the rest of your offense, again depending on who you currently have, and where.
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for sure.

The tricky part is we've been so bad defensively that it's hard to project whether McD or Stauskas would hamstring us more. I do know that a Burke-Stauskas-Hayward trio would be downright pathetic. You couldn't play them all at the same time. Maybe an engaged Favors would offset McD?
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];800673 said:
for sure.

The tricky part is we've been so bad defensively that it's hard to project whether McD or Stauskas would hamstring us more. I do know that a Burke-Stauskas-Hayward trio would be downright pathetic. You couldn't play them all at the same time. Maybe an engaged Favors would offset McD?
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I'd say you stay away from both players..... which shouldn't be hard since they'll likely fall between our two picks.
 
Tell me, posters of Jazzfanz: Is there a Jimmy Butler in this draft?

Utah needs a Jimmy Butler with their GS pick. Pls pls pls lets try and find ourselves a good 3andD. I'll even take a Jae Crowder FFS.
 
I actually think McDermott will get by on defense against the other team's weaker forward. He'll get a few rebounds too. I think he's an automatic floor spacer and a good mid-range shooter if he gets chased off the 3pt line. He's worth having. Guys in the league like Dirk and Steph Curry or even Carmello aren't in the league for their defense. If it's really a problem, then sure take him out and put in a guy like Marvin Williams for whatever matchup is needed. Run him off a pick and he's sure to pull an extra defender out of position. Being able to do that out on the floor at his size, is a real plus.
 
dalamon said:
Tell me, posters of Jazzfanz: Is there a Jimmy Butler in this draft?

Utah needs a Jimmy Butler with their GS pick. Pls pls pls lets try and find ourselves a good 3andD. I'll even take a Jae Crowder FFS.
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Wait, do you want a Jimmy Butler or a 3 and D guy? Or do you really think Butler is a 3 and D guy?
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Wait, do you want a Jimmy Butler or a 3 and D guy? Or do you really think Butler is a 3 and D guy?
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Was referring to Jimmy Butler as far as college resumes were concerned, and looking for players of his calibre-- he consistently hit corner threes at Marquette. In fact, if Jimmy Butler wasn't suffering from turf-toe, he'd probably be hitting at clips similar to the ones he hit back in college. People considered Butler a 3andD prospect when he was drafted.

NBA FG% 3PT%
2012/13 46.7% 38.1%
Pre Turf Toe 43.5% 38.5%
Post Turf Toe 35.5% 24.7%
 
KJ McDaniels is reportedly really struggling with the decision to declare or not. i think hes safely in the 1st round, for those not too familiar with KJ he really burst onto the draft scene when Clemson upset Duke, i watched that game and it was really impressive he was guarding everyone; Quinn Cook thru Jabari.

he also leads his team in basically every possible stat
 
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